Turkish flags on a mosque in Gazastan

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Apr 21, 2009 at 05:23

yasemin ,

I am amazed that you hestitantly and tentatively touched upon at least one point I have raised. It's such an unprecedented progress compared to what youd did before, even though as usual most of your reply is nothing but an inane and despicable outcry of an exposed Turkish narcissist.

>The fairy tale you told is not true.<

It is not I who told a fairy tale. It is a report from the Haaretz newspaper. If I had not reported it, no Turk would do it on this forum, least of all you who scrupulously avoid saying or admitting anything that might cast a shadow on your fabulous Ataturkestan and are so eager to invent any nonsense and repeat any absurdity that might glorify it.

How are you going to prove Haaretz spreads 'fairy tales' while you - what Turkish newspaper do your represent by the way ... Hürriyet ? - are the most competent person to disclose "the truth" nobody but the Turks know ? I am waiting for your answer!

>1. Turkish Jews investigated Tuncay Guney immediately and told that he is not a Rabbi in Canada.<

If you cared to read the Haaretz article you should have noticed :

" ... this suspected agent, who is now being referred to as "the rabbi." It is doubtful that Guney is actually a rabbi; the child of Jews of Egyptian origin, he worked as a journalist in Turkey."

Are we to believe that the Turkish Intelligence employed somebody without knowing and caring who he had been and needed out of a sudden "Turkish Jews" to investigate him instead ? Or do your Tukish Intelligence pashas employ anyone who happens to come by and see their office asking for a job ?

The name 'rabbi' was chosen on purpose by those who have staged the whole anti-Turkish espionage farce to create the hysteria of a "Jewish conspiracy" against Turkey. It is said that "... documents were found in Guney's apartment that allegedly link members of Israel's business community with important Turkish figures also involved in the Ergenekon affair." So it's a part of a larger game.

Guney may be equally well a Jewish atheist. Who would care? But the codenames 'Jewish atheist' , 'Jew against Moses' etc. produce no propganda effects. Quite the contrary. They suggest the Jews are unlike what the demonized image of them among Moslems sugegsts. So "the rabbi" speaks immediately to the antisemitic Moslem soul of the Turk and fires his imagination with anger and contempt.

> But if he was or is, would and will change nothing<

It would change a lot. A major Jewish plot couldn't be so easily construed and believed in so willingly if he were an atheist or an agnostic or a Buddhist or a failure.

> 2. Many things are fake with Tuncay Guney, he used to be a fundamentalist Muslim working for Fetullah Gulen. Now he turns out to be a Rabbi in Canada, and who knows what tomorrow.<

You probably think that the guys in Intelligence Service use to disclose their true names, true identities and tell in public true stories ?

> No one in our community, Muslim or non-Muslim, regard him as important.<

"No one"? So who is the guy who sent a comment to the article (nicknamed "Informed" ) according to you ?

" this has been all over the press in turkey for weeks"
"this guy was jewish, was in touch with mossad and was trying to topple the government because it was to 'islamic'

once again we see zionist interference in other people governments

i am surprised that it has not led to a break in relations yet"

He must be a non-Turk evidently , needn't he ?

> A few journelist said Tuncay Guney works for CIA. No one cares about these.<

"No one" ? This story was a major topic in Turkish media for weeks and you tell us that "no one cares about these" ? All care about good and friendly relations with Israel and America instead , what ?

> We here learned to be strong against all different kinds of facts or agitations, domestic or foreign. We sometimes have to stand strong even against our own governments' desires. <

"Strong"? What do you mean? You spineless Turkish conformists are immune to the danger of expressing any opinions , let alone strong opinions, contrary to the official version. I can hardly undersatnd what you mean by this "stand strong even against our own government's desires"? ... But wait ... the government may sometimes be tempted to express an unofficial version of something and you Turkish opportunists and spineless slaves of the regime and its dogmas must be watchful and remind it of a heresy it is going to adopt! ...Indeed, you must be strong and stand strong against any threat of that sort!

> Ataturk's secular, democratic Republic is our seed, and will always stay like that.<

99,8% Moslem, despotic, jingositic , racist , deceptive and aggressive - it is what Ataturkestan is all about.

> 3. You try very hard... but, we are not enemies with İsrael. <

Have you bought your version of "Kavgam' (=Mein Kampf) yet ? It's a bestseller in Ataturkestan, isn't it? And how about the Jewish doctor in the most popular Turkish movie ever "Kurtlar Vadisi" (The valley of the wolves) who harvests poor Moslems' organs to sell them in New York and Tel Aviv ?

> What Erdogan said in Davos was a very exaggerated show to the Arab World.<

" Thousands of jubilant Turks accorded a hero's welcome to their Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan yesterday upon his return to Istanbul from the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos after his public spat with Israeli President Shimon Peres over Israel's Gaza offensive. [...] Approximately 5,000 people gathered at the Istanbul Ataturk Airport around 2 a.m. (!!!) yesterday to greet Erdogan when he returned from the gathering of business and political leaders, waving Turkish and Palestinian flags and chanting "Turkey is proud of you." Other banners said "Delegate of the oppressed" and "Let the world see a true prime minister." Turkish TV stations broadcast the prime minister's arrival and the crowd waiting for him. CNN Turk said extra buses were added to routes so more people could turn out to welcome him. [...] The Turkish public continued its passionate support of Erdogan following Friday prayers in Istanbul. Prime Minister Erdogan was hailed with slogans of praise by thousands of people who were in and around the Büyük Piyalepaşa Mosque. The crowd waited for the prime minister to complete his prayers at noon and when Erdogan came out of the mosque, they shouted "Turkey is proud of you." Erdogan also won praise from Gazans. In the Gazan refugee camp of Jebaliya, Turkish flags now decorate the ruins of a local mosque that was destroyed during Israel's war against Gaza's Hamas government. A preacher told worshippers at an outdoor service on Friday that Erdogan had "raised the head of the Islamic nation." Jalal Bin Yousef al-Sharifi called on other Muslim leaders to do the same. "

> Of course we do not want them to kill Palastinian children, but this does not make us enemies. <

A friend in need is a friend indeed, as the saying goes. When Gazan rockets rain on Israel you blame the Jew for defending himself and stage mass anti-Israeli demonstrations in support of those who are bent on destroying Israel and support Israel's enemies in every possible way. And then you tell the Jew that 'this doesn't make us enemies". Turkey's century-long duplicity at its best ! The sad truth about the Turkish conquests is that the Turks used to ally themselves first with those whom they wanted to destroy later.

> Anyway you may keep on trying. Try harder and harder... until everybody in the world hates each other.<

Not each other, but only those who fully deserve hatred...

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