Mansoor: On life in Matrix maya

Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 3, 2008 at 11:15

Mansoor you wrote:

>>For Muslims, this world is just like a movie which will end up any moment. Our family, our surroundings and all the people around us are actually not there but made to look us as existing.<<

Mansoor, I have read plenty of |slamic gobbledygook on this forum, but this one takes the cake. |f what you say is correct as far as you are concerned you are the only real thing that exists and the rest is illusion. If so why do you bother to come to this forum. Or is everything that goes on here merely only inYOUR imagination? Allah has created an elaborate charade to figure out whether your are meant for paradise or jahannum? So Muhammad, the Koran, sharia all could be the Matrix Allah has created to make you look foolish.

>>The reality is life after death.<<

Since you are living in Allah's Matrix or at least watching the movie how can you be sure of life after death?

>>When Allah has destroyed people of certain city or area (on extreme violation of commandments) which you are calling innocent then Allah has better reward for those who did not commit any sin. You are only seeing the matter with an eye closed which cannot see the eternal rewards.<<

If you are sure this is all in the Matrix why should you or I, who am part of this Matrix, bother about these silly stories in Allah's book.

>>You quoted several Hadees and excerpts from History ( I am not sure that if it is valid or not). For your very kind information the slave trade and practices were common at that period of time and was never objected. I can show you 100s of references confirming the slave trade was legally protected by many other nations who are proud to call themselves the most cultured. <<

Wonderful Islamic logic, Mansoor. Torture and burning at the stake was quite common practice and legal before and during the Middle Ages. Then why do Muslims point to the Inquisition as a great crime against humanity?

>>Don't go very far, can you justify the history of Black Americans who were forcefully caught and transported like sheep herd to American Continent. The treatment and miseries brought to their lives cannot be compared to what you point out in Islam.<<

Remember, I told you about what your prophet did to the women and children of the Banu Quraiza (the devout Muslim Ibn |shaq and other Islamic chroniclers lied to defame your prophet??). What did the Muslim invaders of your country do to your forefathers? Read: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/41289

The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his 'Story of Civilization' that "the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history".

India, before the advent of Islamic imperialism, was not exactly a zone of complete tranquility and peace like many other parts of the world. There were plenty of wars fought by Hindu princes. Despite all these wars, the Hindus had observed some time-honored conventions sanctioned by the Sastras. The Brahmins and the Bhikshus were never molested. The cows were never killed. The temples were never touched. The chastity of women was never violated. The non-combatants were never killed or captured. A human habitation was never attacked unless it was a fort. The civil population was never plundered. War booty was an unknown item in the calculations of conquerors. The martial classes, who clashed, mostly in open spaces, had a code of honor. Sacrifice of honor for victory or material gain was deemed as worse than death.

Islamic imperialism came with a different code - the Sunnah of the Prophet. It required its warriors to fall upon the helpless civil population after a decisive victory had been won on the battlefield. It required them to sack and burn down villages and towns after the defenders had died fighting or had fled. The cows, the Brahmins, and the Bhikshus invited their special attention in mass murders of non-combatants. The temples and monasteries were their special targets in an orgy of pillage and arson. Those whom they did not kill, they captured and sold as slaves. The magnitude of the booty looted even from the bodies of the dead, was a measure of the success of a military mission. And they did all this as mujahids (holy warriors) and ghazls (kafir-killers) in the service of Allah and his Last Prophet.

It is estimated that the Islamic conquest and rule in India may have resulted in killing of an estimated 50-80 million Hindus and other indigenous religion people. Such savagery can only be compared to the one committed by the Spaniards in the South American continent. Koenraad Elst estimates that out of the population of native Continental South America of 1492, which stood at 90 million, only 32 million survived; terrible figures indeed but who talks about them today [Negationism in India]? Such a towering figure of destruction of human lives by the Muslim rulers of India may appear a suspect. However, in the war of independence of Bangladesh, the Pakistanis killed 2-3 million people in just 9 month in the age of modern civilization and the world hardly took a notice of it. Hence, it is hardly impossible that Islamic rulers might have had condemned up to 80 million indigenous people to death in a vast region in a long span of almost 1000 years in the medieval age of barbarity.

The British rulers, on the other hand, ruled India mostly following a strategy of economic exploitation, .....http://www.islam-watch.org/AlamgirHussain/india.htm '

Mansoor, what do you have to say about the treatment of fellow humans by their Islamic brothers Are these historians all lying to defame the pure and peaceful religion of Allah? Or just another episode in Allah's Matrix movie?

>>It is very easy to forget your own history which is filled with extremely black pages. You are denying it very bravely. You cannot point out any case of misbehaving and brutality during the era of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).<<

Mansoor, your prophet misbehaved (had brutally murdered) old men and women who criticised him. Kaf bin Ashraf, Asma bint Marwan as just two examples. He wanted any Jew who came into the hands of Muslims to be killed and kill they did. (Ibn Ishaq) Muhammad ordered the brutal dismemberment and blinding of some men who killed his camel herder. He had Kinana bin Rafi tortured and murdered to extract his tribe's treasure. Did your stomach churn when you read about these stories of your prophet or did you laugh them off with your superior knowledge of your being in Allah's Matrix?

>>I know people are highly misunderstood about the matter of Prophet's marriages and specially the disinformation regarding the age of Hazrat Ayesha Siddiqa (R.T.A).<<

Do you really care? The prophet's child bride Aisha is just another inconsequential character in Allah's Matrix. So was his marrying his cousin-cum-daughter-in-law. So was his taking Safiya to bed hours after having her husband and family members killed.

regards

Plato

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