Mohamed: Your Article 6 trumps the Koran

Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 22, 2008 at 04:09

Mohammed you wrote:

>>I disagree with the introductory arguments stating "one that oppresses women and turns non-Muslims into second-class citizens?" The draft constitution whose creed eminates from Allah (swt) for the ideal islamic state that will liberate humanity states

Article 6

All citizens of the State shall be treated equally regardless of religion, race, colour or any other matter. The State is forbidden to discriminate among its citizens in all matters, be it ruling or judicial, or caring of affairs.<<

With your Article 6 you have abrogated 9:29 which says dhimmis must pay a discriminatory humiliation tax and be in a state of subjection.

You have cleverly put in ‘or any other matter' instead of gender in your article. Why is that? Is it because if you had then you would be contravening Koran 2:282 which says two women are the equivalent of one man in judicial hearings (also read 2:228).

You would also be contravening Islamic sharia which discriminates against women by giving them only half a man's share in inheritance. Verse 4:34 says men are in charge of women which effectively rules out equality between the sexes.

And what about a Saudi citizen who becomes say a Christian (provided of course the state allows him to stay alive). Will he have the same rights as his Muslim brothers and be able to travel to Mecca or Madina?

And how about the slaves that will come into the Muslim markets when they conquer a country. Can tell us how you will word the constitution to give them full rights with Muslims.

Your next paragraph tries to portray women's position in Islam as against that in Christian/secular society.

>> With regards to the status of women in Islam, it was islam which liberated the women in society in every single aspect. The Women in islam enjoy rights otherwise not heard of in a christain/ secularist society. for example, women in the past were not allowed to vote, drive and even divorse their husbands.It wasnt until the 60s that germany ambolished this ruling.<<

You are talking of the past. The Christians will readily accept that women were discriminated against until the recent past. So let us agree that until the 60s Germany discriminated against women. Now are you willing to give women the same rights as the Germany of today. If not why not?

Mohamed, please read your history. The women of the jahiliya could move around freely, take part in debates, were rulers, do business with men as their subordinates (Khadija-Muhammad). The Koran put an end to all that with the verse of the hijab.

As usual with Muslim apologists you have picked one from the innumerable floating around to suit your purpose. What about the one in which Muhammad reports that the majority of people in hell will be women. Bukhari,Volume 8, Book 76, Number 456:

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:

The Prophet said, "I looked into Paradise and found that the majority of its dwellers were the poor people, and I looked into the (Hell) Fire and found that the majority of its dwellers were women."

The ‘structural piers' of society end up in hell.

>>theses are mere examples that illustrate islams superioty over all idiologies that exsist.<<

How superior does it feel to know that your Article 6 goes against most of the tenets of the Koran?

Regards,

Plato

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