Our dear Mansoor is ready to issue big time fatwa against our dear Atoo! Where is the popcorn?

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 4, 2008 at 07:27

Our dear mansoor wrote this little gem

>I know that on losing on every front. People like you are being used by the disbelievers to create a >different group of people like Munkir-e-Hadith or refusers of Ahadith to counter the offensive action of >those who are there to fight with words to make others understand the truth of Islam.

ROTFL What on earth is Munkir e hadith? Ya roh baba your Arabian Allah does not know any Urdu and you are confusing him. It is al-ladhina yarfuduun al-Hadith.

>Ahadith were gathered and booked with utmost care and confirmation.

Really? then you did not read Ignaz Goldziher. Let me help you: the hadith is anachronistic and bogus and if it was for real then why do we have the isnads and the al-hadith al-saheeh wa al-hadith al-da3eef unless the Muslim 3Ulama early on knew that the hadith is bogus?

>The life of Holy Prophet is a best example as to how you spend your life and his Ahadith are the best available information which could make people understand the text of Holy Quran.

For a change you now make some sense. The Qur'an that opaque revelation does not make any sense without reading the hadith but the hadith is bogus therefore I must conclude that we have no clue about what the Qur'an is really saying!

>People who fall in the plot of disbelievers are themselves very dangerous for the Islamic cause.

Ah, the blame the kuffar again

> There is always a confusion created by the disbelievers to make people see Quran and Ahadith as >parellel.

Parallel? What on earth are you talking about?

> This is not the case. Holy Prophet was not allowed to take any action or deliver any word without >Allah's will.

So let me see: Muhammad was a caravan raider and an Arabian warlord bi idhin Allah? Right? If so your Allah is indeed evil.

>There are several verses of Quran the glorious

The Qur'an is glorious? Really? you cannot even read it in Arabic. The Qur'an is poor literature and I can read it in Arabic.

>confirming that the Prophet was allowed to reveal the secrets and guidelines on important issues only >with Allah's will. Following verse is an eye opener for people like you and those who put finger on >Prophet with ugly intention.

Ungly intention? We are really scared. Get a life

>[69:43] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

So Muhammad claims that his Allah says:

tanzillan min rabb al-3alameen

Why should you believe? and where does it say the word Qur'an is such aya? How do you know your Allah is not talking about the Bible or even the Gita?

Oh Allah also spoke to me via and angel called Gabriel and I have an aya for you and it is

Qul ina Allah lanazala al-Quran

Why should you not believe me?

>[69:44] Had he (the prophet) forged some statements in Our name,

Your translation is bogus as it says in the Qur'an in Arabic a language that you do not know

wa lauw taqula 3aliyna ba3di al-a3aweel

So where does it say the word al-rasul in the above aya? Let me help you: it does not. Your claim is bogus and so is your translation

> [69:45] We would have certainly seized him by the right hand,

How do you know that your Allah was talking about Mohammad? May be your Allah was saying:

laakhadhna min dhimmi no more bilyaminnan

> [69:46] and then severed his life-artery, [69:47] and none of you could have saved him from it. [69:48] It >is infact a Reminder for the God-fearing. [69:49] And, of course, We know that among you there are >deniers. [69:50] And surely, it is a cause of remorse for the disbelievers. [69:51] And it is surely an >absolute truth.

This is clear evidence that the God of the Qur'an is violent if things do not go his way

>[81:24] And he (the Prophet) is not stingy about (the news of) the unseen

so where does it say in this aya that he is al-rasul and where does it say the word: akhbaar? Your translation is poor our dear Mansoor.

>I must say that Muslims on this board should come up with solid base and reasonable preparation, >otherwise many disbelievers will twist your words and create a bad point out of your discussion which will become hard to defend.

...your education is poor and so is your logic

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