Our dear mansoor who knows no Arabic is providng us with an Arabic translation of Ayat al-Jizya. Go fogure

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 26, 2008 at 19:48

Our dear mansoor who knows no Arabic wrote

>see your different posts and this one was amazing...

I cannot speak for anyone else but we shall see who is posting drivel

>I would like to give you reply on your various points raised regarding verse 9.29 translation of which is quoted in full down here

Oh the infamous ayat al-jizya

>Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Now you do not know any arabic our dear mansoor so how could you be sure that this is indeed a good translation? and you are not quoting your source! and do you know what this means? It means that you are a plagiarist our dear mansoor.

Well let us see what your Allah is saying:

1. qatlioo al-ladhina la yu'minuuna billah or fight those that do not believe in Allah

2. wa la bil yawmi al-akhar or and with the last day

3, wa la yuharimuna maharrama allah wa rasulahu or and they do not prohibit what Allah and his rasul have prohibited (read this as prohibits)

4. wa la yadinuuna deen al-haq or those that do not (belong) to the religion of the truth

5. min al-ladhina autuu al-kitab or from those given the book

6. hata ya3tuu al-jizya until they give the jizya (I will leave this word un-translated because it is never defined in the Qur'an but you can read it as the poll tax)

7. 3an yadin I will also leave un-translated as this is ineed a grammatical puzzle in the Qur'an

8. wa huma saghiruuna and they are belittled

And here is the translation of ayat al-jiza

"Fight those that do not believe in Allah and the last day and they do not prohibit what Allah and his rasul prohibits and (fight) those that do not belong to the religion of the truth, from those given the book, until they pay the jizya 3an yad (I leave these three words untranslated and for this see above) and they are belittled

So here is my tafseer/ta'weel

"Allah is saying to his followers to go out and fight the so called ahl al-kitab and included here would be the Jews and Christians and if you believe Karen Armstrong the wannabe Historian also included would be your ancestors the Hindus and Buddhists and also Zoroastrians because:

1. They do not prohibit what Allah and his rasul prohibit

2. They do not wish to be Mulisms (deen al-haq)

3. And because they do not believe in the last day

Now your Allah is saying that ahl al-kitab must apy al-jizya 3an yad whatever that is

So your Allah is saying to you to go out and fight even your own ancestors the Hindus. So much for the religion of peace

>These are purely wartime instructions why are you using these verses to malign others; mind????

Really? then where does it say in ayat al-jizya

wa ina hadhhi al-aya amrun li-waqti al-harb faqat

Oh I forgot that you know no Arabic and his is my translation: and this aya is only for wartime instruction as you claim? Your claim is bogus

Snip Pakistani web sites

> One thing is to be cleared here. The universe and everything in it is Allah's property and he has full right to implement law of his choice and acceptance.

Really? you mean including that the earth is flat and that the sun and the moon orbit earth and that earth is the center of the universe and that mountains are like pegs that support earth so the skies do not fall on earth or that Menstraution is a disease? So which one is it?

> We call Allah as very and kind and very merciful because besides having so many disbelievers on this earth, he has still got it intact in one piece. He never subjected his gifts to only one community. He has awarded food, air, water, resources etc. etc. to every person on this earth, whether a believer or non believer. But it is his full right to implement his rule on this earth through his true believers.

And it seems that the infidels do much better than Muslims as in the case of Hindus in Amercia where they are the most educated and best paid group in the US (see the Pew report) and why is that our dear mansoor? Could it be because they are really good or could it be because there is no Allah?

Oh Pakistanis here in the US? They have the biggest families I guess they are busy reading the Qur'an and making babies

>You can have complete tafsir about the verse you quote on the above link. I expect that the tone of the Tafsir would flare you up but this cannot change the reality.

What reality? That islam asks you to go out and fight the infidels? or is it that the so called God of the universe is asking you to go and hit the poor infidels on the back of their necks as per Zamakhshari? or that 1/5 of the loot/jizya belongs to your Allah and his rasul? Shame

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