to dhimmi no more

Submitted by tariq (United Arab Emirates), Feb 11, 2006 at 06:05

Tariq and quoting the Bible: Why do you quote the Bible when Muhammad claimed that Jews and Christians corrupted the Bible?

u ask me why i quote the bible if its corrupted. thats EXACTLY why i quote it. to show thats its corrupted. and till now i didnt get any real argument FOR the bible, only a christian saying that the Bilbe should be discarded.

"ya Ustaz Tariq ya Jahil: In Ayat al-Saif (the infamous 9:4) Muhammad or is it that Allah thing that pre-Islamic Arabian pagan deity said: "faaidha insalkha al-ashaahur alhurum FAIQTULO AL-MUSHRIKIIN" So could you tell those who know no Arabic what does it say here...the whole aya that is?

You are either ignorant, or you have no clue, or you really do not know what is in the Qur'an, or you are a blatant liar. So which one is it?"

Should have known u were refering to chapter nines verse. but usually non-muslims use verse 5 of chapter 9 to mislead ppl. y did you use verse 4?

"the whole aya that is?"

Sure
"But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God loveth the righteous. "
(9:4)

Whats wrong with it. God is commanding muslims not to go against their treaties as those certain pagans are not fighting them(for now) nor are they helping the pagans fighting the muslims.(muslims were defending themselves from these pagans, and had a treaty according to which they wont fight for a few months but resume it ofter those months end)

maybe u made a mistake. maybe u meant the verse 5 of chapter 9?
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
(9:5)
The most often used verse(9:5) to mislead ppl
I have already this verse to Ianus and Vinodgupt. read my comments to them.

"You are either ignorant, or you have no clue, or you really do not know what is in the Qur'an, or you are a blatant liar. So which one is it?"

Once you read my explaination to Ianus, you ll know that you are ignorant, have no clue, and you really do not know what is in the Qur'an and that you are a blatant liar.

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