T Hamri al Assad: In Muslim human nature trumps the Koran and Allah. Part I

Submitted by Plato (India), Sep 12, 2007 at 04:55

Hamri, I noticed today that most of my original post seems to have been lost in transit to Danielpipes. I am reposting it now.

I will take up your last two questions first.

>>Would the root work (correction, word) for the religion mean peace if it was a religion of violence?<<

Let me us see where this insight of yours takes us. My child is born an idiot. I had hoped to have a child who would be a brilliant philosopher. How do I make him one? You have given me the answer in your rhetorical question. I name him Plato! After all has not the prophet said for every disease there is a cure. This must be the simplest yet.

Hamri, you have discovered a wonderful way to solve the world's problems. Becaus the root word for Islam means peace therefore Islam is bound by the laws of Allah to be a religion of peace. Wow and double wow. Why don't we start naming the terrorists as pacifists and they will automatically lay down their guns and bombs and instead of going on bombing runs they will go on peace marches. As soon the world wakes up to this truth you have revealed you will win a Nobel Prize for Peace. My congratulations in advance.

>> Really Plato tell me how many Muslims you know personally and how many imams you have heard speak and why I am wrong. Answer that last question. All you gotta do. Thats it. Bring it.<<

Why is that when answering Muslims on this board I sometimes get the strange feeling that they are really unbelievers hiding behind Muslim names trying to elicit answers which harm Islam. This one is a typical example. This one sounds so confident, almost boastful that there is no evidence against imams being purveyors of hate. Let us go deep into Muslim territory to hear what the imams have to say. Read some of the pure and beautiful Islamic thoughts that scholars spread among the Muslims.

Hamri, read the excerpts from the Khutbas I have posted below. Don't skim over them read them with care to get your answer.

Imam Ali Abdur-Rahman al Hudhaifi ((http://www.islamworld.net/historic_khutbah.htm)

…Thus anyone who does not believe in RasoolulLah SallalLahu `Alayhi Wasallam, will burn in Jahannam forever. Allah Ta`ala does not accept any other Deen than Islam. In the Holy desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost all spiritual good (3:85)….

…Islam is pure toleration and a well-wisher of all humanity. It does state that the Deen of the Jews and Christians is Batil so that whoever wishes to embrace Islam can do so, and whoever so desires can remain a Kafir. If the Jews, Christians and Mushrikeen are willing to accept Islam, then it will embrace them…. (Here is a wonderful illustration of Muslim tolerance of other faiths, claiming tolerance and then calling others batil)

….How can there be any similarity, any bond between Islam and Yahudiyyat, (the Jewish faith) when Islam is exceptional, with its purity, light, brilliance, nobility, justice, toleration, magnanimity, high morality, equally for man or Jinn, and Yahudiyyat is, a collection of materialism and narrow-mindedness, bears malice towards humanity, is steeped in moral degradation, greed and covetousness.

The Holy Prophet's last advice was:

"Expel the Jews and Christians from the Arab lands."…

…Ya Allah! consign the leaders of the Kuffar to the most grievous
penalty. Impress upon their faces, in their conversation conflict and
dissension. Ya Allah! whoever bears enemity towards Islam and the
Muslims, destroy him completely.

Ya Allah! Lord of the universe, cause the powers of Kufr to go war with
each other. Turn them away form the Muslims, and engage them in fighting each other…

…Ya Allah! seize the Jews and Christians in the grip of your punishment.
Seize the Hindus and the Mushrikeen too.

(ttp://www.alminbar.com/khutbaheng/1651.htm)

…Among the strangest things that have happened in our time is the disapproval of some Muslims to the rule of breaking and demolishing of idols. However, it is a rule from Allaah and a way of the Prophets from the time of Ibraaheem. It is something that is thrilling and satisfying to the people of Islaamic monotheism. At the same time, it is something that displeases and annoys the people of polytheism, who may be from the worshippers of idols or the followers and preservers of so called traditions…

So Hamri your Imams are calling for Allah to seize and punish the Jews, Christians and the mushrikeen. And also the Hindus. Why the Hindus? Your Muslim brothers went there unprovoked and massacred millions over a thousand years. Why does the learned Sheikh want the Hindus to be seized and punished? The second scholar of Islam tells you why when he says demolishing and desecrating the holy symbols of polytheists is THRILLING AND AND SATISFYING TO ISLAM.

http://www.alminbar.com/khutbaheng/819.htm

"Summary

1) Jews are a source of evil and enmity against them is part of our faith.

2) The Jews war against the Muslims is a religious one.

The Jews, who are the nation of pigs and monkeys, are nothing but a source of evil, corruption, tribulation and war. Hatred against the Muslims is inherited by every generation of Jews who in turn teach it to their children.

…….

The Khutba continues and the Banu Quraiza incident is referred to:

The judgement of Sa'd was that all their men should be beheaded, their properties be seized and distributed among the Muslims and that their women and offspring be held captive. Thereupon, the Messenger of Allaah exclaimed: "Allaahu Akbar! O Sa'd! You have judged by the command of Allaah."

Indeed, this is the judgment of Allaah with regard to the Jews who are the people of betrayal, deception, evil and corruption; the people who exhibited these repugnant characteristics even with the most honourable of the creations of Allaah; His Prophets and Messengers.

……

Note specially the sentence I have underlined. Guess what will happen the Jews if come into the power of Muslims like this ‘scholar'of Islam? You know think this sheikh is over the top? He is just following the prophet's advice regarding Jews.?

Refer to Ibn Ishaq Page 369 where the Prophet said ‘Kill any Jew that falls into your power.' And some Muslims executed that order quickly.

Hamri, I know plenty of Muslims, and I am glad to inform you that the majority of them are good human beings, who wouldn't hurt a fly. But some of them have been programmed from their childhood by your learned imams to hate and despise kaffirs. The fact that most Muslims overcome these hate teachings argues for the fact that the Koranic message is no match for the goodness of human nature, no thanks to Allah.

Hamri, you asked me to bring it. I have brought what you wanted.

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