Desperately correcting Fatima

Submitted by another Infidel (Australia), Apr 7, 2008 at 07:34

Fatima

I have to correct a couple of points you've made in several emails. The first of these is that you're still clinging to your delusion that Mohammed was a beacon of morality.

you write......."as for Aisha , I suggest that you don't talk so awfully about her story since you didn't know the women ..

Of course he doesn't know the woman - she died 1400 years ago. But extending that logic - you don't know Mohammed either. And what you do know about him should give rise to deep suspicions about his real character.

But it does not. Strange, that.

and we can't even tell for sure how old she was when she got married cause its not mentioned in hadeth saheeh nor in quran .

So, your 'religion' lets you pick and choose whichever books you want to believe to support whichever fable you're championing at the time? How convenient.

Seeing you are having difficulty - here's some helpful pointers.

"Allah's Apostle (Muhammed) said to me, "Have you got married O Jabir?" I replied, "Yes." He asked "What, a virgin or a matron?" I replied, "Not a virgin but a matron." He said, "Why did you not marry a young girl who would have fondled with you?" (Bukhari 59:382)

A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine." (Sahih Muslim 3309)

[Muhammad said] "…the Divine Inspirations do not come to me on any of the beds except that of Aisha." (Bukhari 47:755)

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You go on about your hair and how wonderful it is for you and other Muslim women (and children) to be able to cover it. Well, Western women can cover their hair too if they wished - but there is no reason to. No one really has a hangup about it. We don't live in deserts so there's really no need to keep it as dust free as it might be in certain areas. And as you could say beauty is an expression of the divine - why hide it? Does God hide away all the beauty in the world?

In another note you write "a real Christian believes in all the prophets "

sure - but the crucial thing for you to understand is Christians do not believe Mohammed was a prophet. And if they read his life story - they'd not only think he was not a prophet - they'd think he was a ......., well, let's not go into that. You'd be offended no doubt. But that's the way it is. Most people don't know about most of the activities he was involved in. No wonder you guys are paranoid about outing Muhammed.

"so when i say Allah or I say God .. "

well, you can cut the 'Allah' bit - as that's really only relevant for your Arabic culture. Seeing you are writing to a predominantly Western and English speaking audience - use of the term 'God' would be more appropriate for your readers. Unless of course you want to claim ownership somehow.

i mean He : the creator of adam and eve , the universe , heaven and hell and angels

I don't think many people have a problem with that - we live in an infinitely vast and at its core, mysterious universe. We can debate the whys and wherefores of how things got to the way they are now - but people who aren't at least open minded about the intelligence behind it are to my way of thinking, conceited in their beliefs and don't get to see things as clearly as they otherwise could. . However the nature of this Creator is the thing here. All the real prophets reflected something of their insight into the nature of God. Miracles are attributed to some of them, great wisdom to others .

In Muhammed's case, any of these attributes have been sadly lacking .

.. the one who sent all the prophets.. : ebraheem , mousas, jesus. jacob , noa ...etc

OK, so far so good......

including the last prophet muhammed PBUH."

oh, well, ........ no, not really. We know you consider him a prophet - but then why is he the last ? If Muhammed can be one - then why not Meher Baba?

Now what if I mentioned Bahá'u'lláh .. he sprang from a Muslim but non-Arab culture in his time (Persia) - had a philosophy and attitude that was way more progressive than Islam.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1'%C3%AD_Faith

Now, I am not a Bahai, but if a sane and rational person was given the choice between Islam and the Bahai philosophy , which do you think they would choose? (All things being equal, no death threats, beheadings or coercion of any type allowed)

The Koran with its sick distortions of heaven and hell, the supremacy of itself over other religions, the supremacy of Arab culture over other cultures (in fact of Arab Muslims over other Muslims for that matter)

or

"The Bahá'í writings emphasize the essential equality of human beings, and the abolition of prejudice. Humanity is seen as essentially one, though highly varied; its diversity of race and culture are seen as worthy of appreciation and tolerance. Doctrines of racism, nationalism, caste and social class are seen as artificial impediments to unity."

Would you be surprised if I told you that Muslims persecuted Bahai's - and Sufi's - and still do to this day. Muhammed's spirit of tolerance and mercy must be rubbing off I guess.

I like your phrase

"...... to and yes Islam does erase whatever comes after it ."

I agree, it's trying its damn hardest isn't it?

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