Mansoor, about your response

Submitted by B. Williame (Belgium), May 27, 2008 at 04:48

Mansoor first allow me to start with an apology for replying after so long.

Now, I'll start quoting your response and adding my response to it, piece by piece.

Because again you have failed to still reply accordingly to Plato's question, when will you finally do or admit you don't have 1.

"You kept good track of my conversation with Plato but unfortunately you forgot to pick the basic message of each of my posts."

If what follows is that basic message, then you must read the definition of basic. Because what follows is again your ideals concerning your faith and in no case a basic message that can be found in each of your posts.

"I declare strongly that Quran is the true divine scripture living in originality beyond challenge. People who tend to deny the revelation have the same old trick of calling it false. When we see the divine scripture believed to be from a single source be it Torah, Psalms, Gospel and more proudly Quran, the relevation was delivered through Gabriel (Jibraeel A.S.) to the respective Prophets. If I am wrong correct me."

First you renew your faith? The apostles of CHRIST dit not need an intermediate/lackey like Gabriel.

As such The devine scriptures aren't from 1 single source. Again the asylum is filled with people who claim to have seen and/or spoken to an angel. Difference is The prophet of Islam seems to have been convincing enough? What respective prophets? Not all of them claim to have acquired knowledge through Gabriel; Moses for one, did not.

"Prophets like Nuh (Noah), Younis (Jonah), Swaleh, Swaleh (Salih) were preaching the same message with the scriptures sent to them but people of those times denied the message and challenged the supremacy of Allah. Here on this forum lot of people are doing the same old thing, straightly denying the truth that a clear message has arrived to them with logics, proofs, signs and declaration."

The west haven't been sent a flood and mohammed wasn't eaten by a whale. The TRUE ALLAH didn't need an army of humans to punish, nature did it. The fact Islam does it's own punishing is a clear proof the Allah they believe in isn't the TRUE ALLAH.

For he would smite the stubborn wrong doers, if he wanted, with fire from the sky. Also As I read about the Quran, it doesn't contain the logic, proofs and sings you speak of. It allready needs Hadiths and other EXTRA texts that aren't even divine according to Original Islam to attempt to explain and logify the Quran.

"One thing I should make clear to all that Allah's message has been delivered to this world in clear and undisputed form. Finding ways to deny that is pure human action much influenced by the love for worldly life. Islam binds a person in certain laws well governed by Quran and Sunnah with deep and logical basis. The rewards are declared along with punishment to deniers and sin lovers."

It's the human action of Islamist followers that delivers the most disputes, Allah's message was already given by the most clear sing of all, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, why do you attempt to deny this most undeniable fact? Your actions aren't driven by your desire for wordly life? Then please commit seppuko to prove this. Allah according to your faith would probably reward you for doing so?Unless of course you don't believe your own faith, that would be troublesome, no?

Islam has laws, books of laws, in what manner is it lesser then a form of state? Again we have an other scripture tossed into it. If Quran is so logic then why do we need Sunnah's? logic? Nah! Why are sin lovers and deniers allready punished by the week Islam followers if Allah is able to do it herself? So many questions and no answers that keep in logical accordance with the rest... does it not?

"People are doing mistake by trying hard to criticize Islam, Quranic laws, Sunnah, Hadith and clear logic on which Islamic faith is standing on. The point is, that this is truly a law well confirmed by the Lord and selected for the humanity. Denying, refusing and rejecting would only add to the agony after death. This message has been clearly delivered and nobody can deny when the final whistle is blown!!!!!!!!!! and they would be standing waiting for their fate. Ultimately the loss will be of the deniers and refusers because besides receiving clear warning they stood stubborn."

(this isn't a quote of mansoor)"Be warned for there will be a false profet gathering people in the lords name but in fact convincing them in the ways of Satan." People aren't having a hard time criticizing Islam, they are having a hard time abling Islamfollowers to see the truth, but perhaps your right on that being a mistake? The point you make is fautly logic and I hope you might understand using the following example:

1. God said to me I'm right.

2. God is always right for it is God.

3. So I'm always right.

Now this would all be well and good, except... What if the person claiming this is lying. So let's add some truth to this:

1. God never said I'm right

2 God is always right else it woudn't be God

3 So I'm a big liar

I hope you understand the same question to Muhammed, Quran and Islam for there where no mountains split, no rivers divided, no corpses brought to life.

You never considered that I might bring you the one true way of God/Allah and that you are the denier?

Why do I not say this or that religion? Because According to me all current knownreligions are in the from they are in now, all misconcepts by human greed and lust.

"Finally, when we see the whole universe around, the trillion and trillion of stars, the planets, the complexed system running since the date..we are still not in knowledge!!! you begin to find the Lord in your heart. You begin to find the reality of your own strength, your value, your place!!!"

Your faith doesn't speak of specters or astral bodies, neither of the gift Allah gave us using the power of our mind. It lacks essentials for being the final book of faith. We have but only recently started exploring space, considering the time it already has existed we still are early in our development and humanity has lots of time to learn all there is to learn about them for as long no religious fanatics block the path to knowledge.

I'm not intrested in delusions and fantasies. I know my strength and value and to what my place is, I've been given the choice by Allah to decide that for my self. This in it's core is different from what Islam predicts.

Please open your mind for the 1 True faith of Allah and reject the abomination Islam has become.

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