Mansoor: Who are the fools fishing for ‘gems' in the Koran?

Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 15, 2008 at 23:41

Mansoor, you write:

>>You and Plato are biggest fools...I pity on you because your approach is entirely different.. You are fishing in Quran and Hadith to find verses and statements which you can use for your own petty reason.<<

What you are saying is that even big fools like me can fish out verses that distort the meaning of the Koran. Imagine what clever people can do to it!

The ‘petty' reason I do this is to fish out the gems in the Koran for readers of this forum to admire or reject if they find them to be of poor quality.

>>You quote verses out of context, out of background and you insist that I declare you wise...<<

You keep saying this context thing but have never, except on one occasion, told us what the context or background to the verses quoted are. On that one (?) occasion, referring to 9:29, you said that it referred only to war situations. I showed you it was not contextual as the grammar does not allow of such an interpretation unlike the verses from Surah 48 you quoted for the benefit of another poster. I showed you Surah 48 refers to a particular event, the Hudaibiya treaty and has no relevance now. You have not refuted any of this yet.

I just took the nom de plume of Plato because I admire him greatly, not because I think I am anywhere near as wise as Plato. Maybe I have forgotten, but I don't ever remember asking you to certify that I am wise. But I do remember (only vaguely) your questioning my sanity. Once? Twice? Thrice? Do I care?

>>For me the most unluckiest person is that who has Quran and still unable to achieve any guidance just because of arrogance and love to this short span of life. Can you answer me????<<

Yes I can answer you easily. I have the Koran in my hand. The Koran tells without any ambiguity in several places that Allah has put a veil on my heart, that Allah has misguided me and prevented me from understanding the Koran. (8:57, 35:8, 42:44)

So don't accuse me of arrogance and love of life that prevents me from understanding the Koran the way you do. Blame Allah for it, Allah has claimed that privilege. Allah controls everything remember? Even deciding whether I will be an unbeliever before the universe was created. Mansoor, do you have any argument against this?

>>do you remember how many days you lived till now....when you look back it would seem like you spent only a day or not more before this day...and what else you left in life is still not known to you...May be me or may be you would not be able to see the sun next morning....<<

Now you sound suspiciously like Allah when He talks of signs that reveal His presence like the bees, the rain, wind etc. All that you have stated has been obvious to man since he became capable of thinking about the past and the future. This is silly Maulana wisdom you are prattling, meant to frighten wide-eyed kids in madrasssas.

>>I just wish to say that life is extremely uncertain, life can betray us suddenly and we would have nothing left in our hands...<<

The uncertainty is courtesy of Allah. It is not life that betrays us, it is Allah who will send his angel of death without warning to tear out our souls, as the Koran has so kindly informed us.

>>The technology, the medicines and stockpile of wealth couldn't get us another second of our life if our chapter is closed.<<

With this superior knowledge in their hands why do Muslim countries wastefully spend money on hospitals, training doctors and importing expensive medicines from the West (it is not going to add even a second to anyone's allotted time). All that wasted money could be usefully employed to help people enter paradise by building more mosques, madrassas, training even more moulvis and before I forget, jihadis to blow themselves up among infidels. These are all activities which your scholars tell you will help you reach the great goal of jannat. Your scholars would not be wrong because they know Allah says: 006.032 YUSUFALI: What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand?

Your Koran is telling you that this life if but play and Muslims must embrace death rather than life. Next time you fall ill don't go anywhere near a doctor or hospital, they are worse than useless.

>> Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) struggled all his life to make people understand the uncertainty of life and the tough phase ahead after death.<<

There was no need for the Muhammad's struggle, even a barely sane person knows all about the uncertainty of life. It is only the tough phase after death that is in dispute. Your only proof for this life after death is the Koran. The Koran is a book trying to frighten people into believing in it. That itself makes the Koran's motive suspect. It talks about a bogeyman called Allah who has kept hell waiting to devour you. This Koran was brought to you by a man who said he heard the voice of an angel reciting it to him. The man also tells you to always include his name along with the bogeyman's when you call upon Him. If you do not, you end up in the bogeyman's waiting inferno. This is something to frighten your children with, Mansoor. Grow up. You have been had.

>>Just think that you are being closely watched all the time and not a single sin or good deed would go unnoticed<<

You don't really believe that do you Mansoor? If you did, every time you made love to your wife won't you feel like you are in a live sex show for those angels hovering above you and your wife? Read this hadith: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 315:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "At every womb Allah appoints an angel who says, 'O Lord! A drop of semen, O Lord! A clot. O Lord! A little lump of flesh." Then if Allah wishes (to complete) its creation, the angel asks, (O Lord!) Will it be a male or female, a wretched or a blessed, and how much will his provision be? And what will his age be?' So all that is written while the child is still in the mother's womb."

If I believed that I would be off sex for life.

I hope I have not spoiled your future sex-life by reminding you of what your statement implies.

>>People usually call Muslims Insane...but in fact Muslims have got the perfect string in their hands. They are truly aware of what is going to happen after death...they are preparing themselves every moment. We do not forget that our Lord is seeing us all the time. He has extremely vigilant system to check us and he has his angels around us recording each and every minor and major action of ours.<<

Mansoor, what would you call a person who buys a piece of property without verifying whether the documents are genuine. Insane or not? When you buy into something will you not examine the documents carefully to check whether they are genuine? If you don't then I have no argument. If you do, then why don't you do the same with a document that wants to control your whole life, the Koran?

On what basis do you believe the Koran when it tells you that Sulaiman spoke to birds and ants? That Jesus had a virgin birth. That jonah was swallowed by a whale and survived. That Muhammad split the moon in two? If you believe all that because it is written in the Koran it is as though you buy a property because the document itself claims that it is a genuine piece of paper and anybody else who says anything different is a liar.

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