QUESTIONS for Khaled

Submitted by another Infidel (Australia), Apr 10, 2008 at 20:52

Khaled

you write:

In another post, you ask why am I living in Australia, if I choose not to entertain my life with non Islamic friends............ I have had many practicing and non practicing christian and judaic friends in the past, but would always give in to the temptations of drinking their alcohol and fornicating with the women.

I have come to understand that I cannot be hypocritical in trying to practise my religion, praying five times a day and then go out to nightclubs with mates, pissing up and rogering the womanfolk"

So you are stating there that your 'many ' practising Christian and Jewish ex-friends were continually going out and getting pissed and whoring? Unfortunately your stereotyping of the Aussie male here reinforces my stereotypes of intolerant Muslims living in our midst.

Going out and getting pissed and whoring is part and parcel of the lives of some people, but by no means is representative of the activities of most people.

. I go to work, do my job, communicate with my co-workers, I even have lunch with them, but at the end of the day, I go home to my loving family, pray to God to forgive me for my sins and allow me to submit to his will."

Great to see your contributing so positively to your immediate society. Gee , you even stoop so low as to have lunch with them! Going out on a bit of a limb there aren't you?

"Choosing to live in Australia, was not my choice, the choice was made by the victors of World War II, including Australia, who wrote a 'homeland' cheque to cover the sins of the holocaust and centuries of anti-Semitism in Europe, but it was US, the Palestinians, who had to cash it."

Your meaning is not clear here ' Khaled'; you live in Australia, and from the few things you've said , I gather may have either been born here (possibly of Post WW2 European parents) or have lived here for a long time. Are you a western convert to Muslim beliefs? Or did you revert back to your parents' background?

"but I do not intend to look at history through the eyes of your civilisation alone, as you obviously do. "

So, obviously you don't believe in the myth of multiculturalism either - as you make the distinction between ' your civilisation' i.e. 'western and by extension Australian) and your own - presumeably Muslim (whatever that means) - even though you have lived here for so long.

Yet you take all the benefits that living in a secular first world western country can and does provide - high incomes, a very generous social security system, free heallthcare, access to as much education as you would like, communications, freedom to vote governments in and out, freedom of religion - and of course national defense under the US umbrella. I bet you never seriously consider moving to say Syria, Iran or Egypt do you?

What does it take for '.. your civilization' to become 'YOUR civilization'?? If your stance is typical does it mean if the worst was to happen , we could never trust the loyalties of Muslims to support the defense of our , no , I mean MY country?

Surprising how many Muslims here aspire to 2 storey 2 car garage homes isn't it? I guess they're a bit confused about which civilization they belong to though.too.

Hopefully your viewpoints and wishes for Australian society lie outside of those of Sheik Taj Al Din Al 'Australian women are pieces of meat' Hilali. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6086374.stm

or

Sheik Fez "We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam," "Mohammed

http://www.truthandgrace.com/clericaustralia.htm

or Kaysar 'Australia should be uinder Sharia Law' Trad.

I have a few Muslim friends. 2 are doctors. One of those is from Iran. He hates the government of the Islamic republic of Iran with a vengeance. He likes his own people, but considers the Mulim religion and Arabs in general have oppressed them and held back their progress. Here he has the freedom to express those opinions. In his own country , rather, his former country - he does not.. he would be the person to speak to let you know what is actually happening on the ground in that country - it is a long way from an Islamic paradise.

My Afghan friend is also aware enough to consider he is a Muslim not by choice - but because he was born into it. He has lived in Russia, Europe and now Australia. He too holds very negative opinions of living under Islamic governments. Both these people are educated , able to think rationally and hold a decent conversation.

Both are more than happy to have come here and experience a life of freedom and safety - something that they did not have in their own countries.- compliance to 'normality'; there was expected.

In your mind - are these ex-Muslims worthy of hate, does 'Allah' love them any less for dropping the baggage of their past - and choosing not to believe in what you believe. Obviously you're not going to say they should be put to death - as you must realise how barbaric that must seem having lived amongst us 'infidels' for so long. Yet in some countries with sharia ingrained into their institutions - that is exactly what could happen.

So why do Muslim views moderate so much when they've had exposure to living in western (and predominantly Christian-based) countries?

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