Bilal: More about kaffirs being natural liars, war being deceit, sharia etc

Submitted by Plato (India), Sep 10, 2009 at 08:12

Bilal, you wrote,

>>1) If you want to talk about half-truths and lies, they come from kuffaar. Kaafirs are naturally liars. Look at the issue of WMDs as a "justification" to invade Iraq. Lies.<<

You say kaffirs are naturally liars and all things natural are Allah's handiwork. So we must exist for a very good Islamic reason. I would guess it is to make Muslims look good in their own eyes.

Bush was only following the advice of your Prophet in lying to start a war. Read these hadith:

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit".

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271, 270: Narrated Jabir: The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."

…….. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him.

>>2) Your law gives rapists and murderers free bed and breakfast with the protection ……... In Shari'ah law, had those things happened; they would be executed.<<

Sharia law requires four male witnesses to the actual "penetration". This is the sharia requirement and the old fogies who interpret Islam for you will not even accept DNA evidence. Effectively this means rapes generally do not get reported in Islamic countries. The brave women who do report rape can land in jail courtesy sharia, where instead of free bed and breakfast they probably end up giving free sex (raped) to the jailers.

Like other Muslim posters here you do not seem to read replies to your posts. You seem not to have read this reply of mine to you: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/160970

Sharia law allows rapists to go free and rape more women instead of giving them free bed and breakfast in jail. Read again:

"Under Article 17 of the Qanun-e-Shahadat Order of 1984, Pakistan's ….. Under the Hudood Ordinance, in order for a rapist to receive "hadd," the maximum punishment provided for under the Quran, four adult Muslim men must witness the "act of penetration" itself and testify against the perpetrator.14 ….. The judicial system oftentimes views the woman not as a victim but instead an "immoral" woman. ……, if a woman accuses a man of rape and the man is acquitted, the rape victim could be found guilty of violating zina. By reporting the rape, a woman has essentially "admitted" to either extra-marital or non-marital intercourse….."

>>3) The statistics of a rape once every 2 minutes is more than once every 2 hours.<<

If you read the above report of sharia law on rape you will understand why I salute the brave women of Pakistan who report a rape every two hours. And of those reported rapes how many rapists are having free bed and breakfast in Pakistani jails, Bilal? Check it out and compare with the number of rapists having free bed and breakfast in JAILS under kaffir laws.

>>4) If you want to talk about stories of rape, eating faeces and so on; look at what happens in Abu Ghraib. Why is it such a controversial torture chamber? Because the whistle was blown as to what actually goes on there at the hands of kuffaar based on what their society teaches them.<<

Bilal, is it "happens" or "happened?" Is it poor English or are you being devious?

Whistle blowers exist in a free society because a free society teaches them that crimes must be reported no matter even if the victim is an enemy. In Islamic sharia even the victim cannot report a crime of rape for fear of being made into a criminal (read my previous reply).

Now let me relate to you a story of rape in which the mercy for all mankind, Muhammad, condones it and says the rapist deserved not punishment but…read on:

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637: Narrated Buraida: The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and 'Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus."

Muhammad, the Mercy to all mankind, could not say otherwise because he would have been accused of doing the same with a Mother of Believers, Safia and his concubine Rehana. You know the stories don't you Bilal? If you don't, just ask.

>>5) Mut'ah is a practise that has been outlawed by Orthodox Islaam and only Shi'a heretics practise it. Misyaar can in no way be correlate d with one spreading their legs in a bar, as it is a form of marriage. Face it. Your women are whores.<<

You consider yourself to belong to a sect that calls itself Orthodox Islam. The Shias consider themselves to be the real Muslims and you as the deviants.

So, what do women do after being married according to misyar. Close their legs? It is a form of marriage in which women are expected to spread their legs for a payment after which the husband has no obligations to the wife. Sounds great does it not? Everything done nice and legal on a piece of paper for the woman to spread and say good bye a short time later without any obligation on the ex-husband.

But I will not insult the poor Muslim women who are brazenly exploited for sex by men under sharia law. They certainly are not whores. But guess who the real whores here are. You have a sad, sad religion, Bilal.

>> Do you know who your father is? Could it be the post man? The milkman? The neighbour?<<

Do I have to know who my father is? I don't. I am just happy to be alive. If you wish to truly know who your dad is have a DNA test done. And good luck to you when you ask your father for it and better luck to your mother.

>>6) Look what happened to Abeer Qasim al-Janabi. Rather than the rapist ringleader getting executed; he got off with free bed and breakfast in some cushy jail for the rest of his life. No mortgage, no bills.<<

He is in a cushy JAIL. Rapists under Sharia get to send off their victims to very un-cushy jails. And maybe go look for another victim to send to jail. If I were a rapist I would love to be born in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

>>7) Remind me what NAMBLA is all about, again? More fruits of your society. No doubt "man and boy love" will be legalised soon by you disgusting sub-animals.<<

The man-boy thing is already almost legal in Pakistan! NAMBLA has been a reality in Pakistan since dot (?) For this read:

By Richard Galpin in Pakistan

A new report on attitudes to child sex abuse in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province paints a horrifying picture of widespread abuse.

The report shows that many of the population believe that the sexual abuse of young boys is a matter of pride. ……

The first indications of the scale of the problem have been revealed in this early report from North-West Frontier Province. [SEE BELOW FOR PART OF THE REPORT]

It shows that one third of those who took part in the survey did not even believe that child sexual abuse was a bad thing - let alone a crime. [BILAL SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN BELIEVE SODOMISING YOUNG BOYS IS NOT A CRIME, IT IS NOT A CRIME!!]

The UN believes the sexual abuse of young children is widespread in some areas of the country but that until now it has been hidden behind a wall of silence.

……Their clients are men from all backgrounds - travelling from one part of the country to another - thus freed from the constraints of life at home in this conservative society. With girls mostly kept at home - they prey on these working boys who are extremely vulnerable to abuse.

Although at present there is little data on child sexual abuse in Pakistan, experts such as the clinical psychologist, Kamran Ahmad, believe it is widespread:

"There is a lot of repression of sexuality so what happens is that is shows up in unhealthy forms. You rarely find healthy expressions of sexuality in everyday life so sexual abuse becomes very common" [MUSLIM MEN GROW UP IN AN UNHEALTHY SEXUAL ATMOSPHERE LEADING TO AN UNHEALTHY ATTRACTION FOR BOYS]

For the victims it is a terrifying ordeal. A boy told us how he had been raped when he was just 7 years old. He said the men in his village were like dogs - 'they would eat you like a dog' he said. 'It was not safe for any young fair-skinned boy to go out alone. It was a tradition to molest boys'. …….. [GREAT TRADITION THEY HAVE IN THIS SHARIA LAND!]

All this seems to be a result of the rigid segregation of men and women in Pakistan, ……..[SAME IS TRUE FOR OTHER MUSLIM NATIONS TOO]

Young boys therefore become the targets of abuse…..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/248219.stm

COMMUNITY PERCEPTIONS OF MALE CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN

NORTH WEST FRONTIER PROVINCE, PAKISTAN.NGO's COALITION ON CHILD RIGHTS – NWFP

Supported by UNICEF Pakistan

Prof.M.Ismail

General Secretary NCCR. http://www.crin.org/docs/resources/publications/SexAbuse1.pdf

INTRODUCTION

Child Sexual Abuse is the least explored and least acknowledged form of child abuse in Pakistan.……. The youngest victim was only 4 years old. These cases included individual sexual assaults, gangrapes, incest and exposing children to pornography by clandestine mafias. The vast majority of victims were boys…….

The respondents were asked that how people in general in their communities' feel about adults having sex with boys. The responses are given in Table-4. Some of the respondents gave more than one response.

TABLE – IV

RESPONSE NUMBER % age

Considered bad 1119 65.43

Matter of pride 386 22.57

Symbol of status 240 14.04

Not considered bad 184 10.76

Any other response 98 5.73

No response 4 0.23

The respondents were asked, "Do you know that some adults keep boys for

sexual services in your area?" The responses are given in Table – V.

TABLE - V

Knowledge of respondents about Adults keeping boys for Sexual Services

RESPONSE NUMBER % age

Yes 1418 82.92

No 278 16.26

No response 14 0.82

The results show that the practice of keeping boys (called "Bachabazi" locally) is a highly prevalent practice. Despite the fact that the majority of people consider it bad, the practice is by and large tolerated and accepted. There is again a double societal standard vis-a-vis "Bachabazi" and male homosexuality. While it is quite shameful and disgracing to be a passive agent (receptive partner), it is a matter of pride and power to be an active agent (insertive partner) in a homosexual relationship.

In the West NAMBLA is hounded by society and the police. In a Muslim society sexual abuse of tender aged boys is common and Sharia turns a blind eye to the practice. Compare what kuffar countries do with their decadent laws as compared to sharia nations:

"…….. NAMBLA was reported to have had over 300 members, and was supported by such noted figures as Allen Ginsberg Since then, the organization has kept membership data private, but an undercover FBI investigation in 1995 discovered that there were 1,100 people on the rolls^. …..

Since 1995, public criticism and law enforcement infiltration have heavily impaired the organization. ….. and that as of the late 1990s to avoid local police infiltration, the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

>>8) You shoot yourself in the foot by mentioning the Iraq - Iran war. That was yet another engineered war by the US. Saddam was propped in power by the US, ………<<

Nice phrase, 'engineered war'. Engineering war was a specialty of the Mercy to all Makind, Muhammad.

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

008.069 YUSUFALI: But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. [Allah makes what you take in war LAWFUL AND GOOD!]

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386: Narrated Jubair bin Haiya: 'Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. ………. The other asked, "Who are you?" Al-Mughira replied, "We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life: we used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet …... Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise …….

Your prophet engineered war by inviting non-Muslim nations to accept Islam. If, as was but natural of any self-respecting community, they rejected it out right, Muhammad gave Muslims the right to attack and conquer. The Bukhari hadith clearly and plainly tells us that the reason Muslims ENGINEER war is to loot the conquered or enter paradise if they die.

>>9) You want to mention Palestine? Look at the thousands of innocents who have been innocently killed by illegal Jewish trespassers who broke in and entered in 1948. Countless. The Gaza war being a typical demonstration at how you back the genocide of civilians.<<

Thousands of deaths become countless to you. But the hundreds of thousands killed by Muslims in Sudan is nothing? You and the Arab and Muslim nations keep mum about this genocide but scream and riot over the few thousands killed by Israel. The Sudanese trespassers broke into Darfur just a few years ago. Muslims had nothing much to say about the hundreds of thousands raped and killed in East Bengal by fellow Muslims. Do you have nothing to say about this deathly silence of Muslims about the deaths of fellow Muslims? You coolly wriggle out of the situation by branding them apostates

>>10) Most of the killings in Iraq are a direct result of the western occupation of it. Were there such explosive numbers of killings by (western) terrorists before 2003? Not even a fraction of the number today. Therefore even a child can see that your presence there is the direct reason as to why Iraq is a warzone, and that is why you are, yet again, responsible.<<

It is a mystery what you are trying to say. The US did go into Iraq to fight a war. Has the US denied it? But I seriously suspect that Saddam, during his rule, managed to kill more than what the West has done so far. I had given you statistics on how more Muslims are killed by Muslims than by non-Muslims. Let me repeat it for you: "In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims." http://www.danielpipes.org/4990/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th

11) When did Islamists correlate themselves with the Janjaweed? Rather Islamists believe the government of Sudan have apostated from Islaam and if the Janjaweed are militants of an apostate government then they cannot be correlated with Islamists.

When indeed? Whenever anything distasteful is done by Muslims, the moderates disassociate themselves and Islam from it by claiming the perpetrators are not Muslims. The evidence of their chanting Koranic verses and swearing whatever they do is for Allah and Mohammed is trashed. Why would they do that if they were not Muslims? Is Israel and the US responsible for them or are verses from the Koran like 9:111, 4:74 or 9:38 responsible?

If Islamists believe that Sudan has apostatized why does the Arab League or OIC not condemn it outright as they do Israel? Most sprung to the defence of Omar Al Bashir instead of condemning him. Are all the Muslim leaders in the report below apostates?

Cairo - On Sunday Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir strode off his airplane and onto a red carpet at the airport in Doha, greeted with a kiss by the tiny kingdom's emir as he arrived for a two-day Arab League summit dedicated to strengthening Arab unity.

Mr. Bashir has been a busy man since his indictment for seven counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court (ICC) on March 4. His visit to Qatar's capital is the fourth time in two weeks that he has defied the standing international warrant for his arrest, coming after visits to the neighboring countries of Eritrea, Egypt, and Libya.

At the opening of the summit Monday, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon sharply condemned Sudan's expulsion of humanitarian aid groups in response to the arrest warrant, and said that "we must all be committed" to "peace and justice," according to the Associated Press. The UN Security Council asked the ICC to begin the investigation into alleged war crimes in Darfur that led to Bashir's indictment.

….. http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0330/p06s04-wome.html

>>If they kill people based on their ethnicity/nationality, then this rather resembles your society.<<

Where are non-Muslims killing people based on their ethnicity/nationality. They destroyed Hitler and his Nazism. They destroyed Mussolini and his fascism. They bombed and destroyed the government of Serbia trying its hand at ethnic cleansing of Muslims. The West has been trying to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslim Kurds by Muslim nations like Syria, Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

>>They must have been taking notes from you people like the Jews in occupied Palestine or the Christians in Serbia.<<

Let me refer you to some notes taken by the sahaba from what your Prophet told them: Muslim, Book 019, Number 4366:

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Now you find only foreign delegates on the Arabian Peninsula. The sahaba did a good job of ethnic cleansing on the Peninsula. The prophet set the ball rolling by sending the heads of the Jews of the Banu Quraiza rolling into ditches in Medina.

>>To go into someone's homeland and start killing all its inhabitants is what your armies do worldwide since time dot<<

On the excuse of suspected plotting, not actual action, the Banu Quraiza were elimated to a man from their homeland and the rest dispersed as slaves. Muslim armies have not been averse to following in the footsteps of the prophet. In recent history you have ethnic cleansing in Armenia, and Bangladesh and now in Darfur and South Sudan. [ALL APOSTATES FOR SURE. EXCEPT THE PROPHET!]

>>12) My comments get censored by the moderators, hence the ellipses.<

That is because the moderators are moderates and frown upon immoderate comments.

>>Face it. You dregs of the globe conduct all the illegal invasions of nations; killing, raping and pillaging as you go. You are the cancer of the globe. And a cancer must be killed before it's terminal nature spreads any more.<<

Since the moderators let this comment through I can imagine what they did not let us read. Now let us take a closer look how Muslims shape up against what you accuse non-Muslims of.

1. You dregs. That you think we are the dregs of the world does not surprise us as Allah has instructed you on what we are: Quran 9:28, "O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque …."

2. The illegal invasions of nations. Muhammad legalized invasions of nations by this hadith: Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.' …………….Bilal if a Muslim nation invites a non-Muslim country to Islam and is rejected it is not just halal (permitted) but your duty to attack them. When a Muslim country invades a non-Muslim country it is perfectly legal!

3. Raping and pillaging. Read about what the prophet did to the Banu Quraiza Jews: Bukhari , Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362:
Narrated Ibn Umar: Prophet then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims

And from : "Sirat e Rasulullah" by Ishaq, page 464: After 800-900 male adults of Bani Quraiza were beheaded in batches, and thrown in trenches dug in Madina, the apostle divided their property, wives and children as booty… He took Rayhana d. Amr b. Khunafa for himself. [A PERFECTLY EXECUTED RAMPAGING, PILLAGING AND RAPE SPREE]

Tabari VIII:39"Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa'd bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms." [AND SLAVE TRADING TO BOOT]

4. You are the cancer of the globe. And a cancer must be killed You know cancers are cells that multiply much faster than the surrounding healthy ones and suck up nutrients, does not contribute anything to the tissue and finally spreads to other uninfected regions and begins its work destruction there. Muslims by their own claim are a rapidly growing group. Being the least productive (time wasted in many prayers, sleeping off and goofing off from jobs during 30 days of Ramadan) Muslims are dependent for many of their needs on more productive people. When the resources of their countries cannot support the growing numbers they migrate to richer regions and start cannibalizing that society (remain unemployed and become a drain on the nation they migrated to) and finally when grown to sufficient numbers begin trying to destroy the society where they found refuge.

Living in the UK as you do, you get the drift of what I am saying, I hope, Bilal

Regards

Plato

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