....there may be many things that one can criticize about Muslims .....

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan (Australia), Sep 16, 2009 at 17:41

Emir, apparently an American Muslim writing from Turkey says:

"There may be many things that one can criticize about Muslims,Muslim majority countries, Islam and its Prophet some based on fact or the perception that one holds"
It's not 'may be' - - there definitely are.

"...... but the hatred and slander of a religon held sacred by billions "
In fact sir, it's not 'billions' at all, the most generally accepted figure being 1.2 billion. And it varies in the strength of its hold on people, based on their location. i.e. Turkish Muslims are apt to be less fanatical than those in other areas.

and just because a large number of people believe something they never experienced - does not make those beliefs true. You could be completely wrong. Somebody can tell me they are an armadillo - and sincerely believe it. Should I respect his/her beliefs? Especially when I see those same beliefs cause significant psycho/social problems for that person.

Billions of six year olds have believed in Santa Claus too don't forget. But most of them grew out of it. You will eventually change the beliefs you currently hold. This is inevitable.

'the hatred and slander of a religon has no place among civilized people. '
It all depends on how you classify a religion. Many people would say Islam has a very tenuous claim to being a valid religion based on its beginnings and especially on the behaviour and activities of its founder and so-called 'prophet' .

If Islamists aren't brave enough to shine the light of logic and truth on their own 'religion' - how can you not expect others to do it for them? And when you don't like what THEY see - you call it slander and hatred. Islam has been a burden for a large number of people for a very long time. Islamic states are less than progressive in virtually all areas of human endeavour.

Turkey, with its pretensions towards joining the EU and the concessions it will have to make in human and womens' rights etc will give you a skewed perception of how modern an Islamic state. But as you're surely aware - Turkey is an exception rather than the rule.

"The selective quotes from the Qur'an and the effort to demonize Islam, its Prophet and Muslims is part of the fundamentalist Protestant agenda..."
This is purely your paranoia. I'm not Protestant or fundamentalist by any means. My perceptions of Islam and the behaviour of Islamists concurs with those of Cambodian Buddhist friends for example - who have developed their appreciation from direct contact with Muslims in their own region.

'.....that is ailied with the fanatic Israeli right that...'
Oh, the bloody Jews again??? Where can I look up what Allah thinks of them again? That's right , your little green book of 7th century Arab folk wisdom , many absurdities and liberally sprinkled with anti-semitic epithets .

'.....fears the growing number of Muslims in the US, the UK and Europe and any influence it may have on the apartheid that Palestinians are subjected to.'
Nothing to do with fear. I would be quite happy to live in a country that had no Muslim ghettos. In fact I have lived in some and noticed social cohesiveness, no racial/religious tensions and a justifiable pride in their society , culture and surroundings.

In fact - from the examples I see in the Muslim areas of the city I live in - it could have to do with hygiene. The main streets of these areas are littered with trash nearly every day of the week. Are they hankering for some imagined afterlife with the 72 virgins/raisins and green cushions so much that they they don't care about this kaffir dominated world , and forget to be fully conscious in the present moment and take responsibility there. Not saying that all Muslims are pigs (and certainly not apes as the Koran describes Jews) .

It has more to do with - why the hell should we have to accommodate a totally alien culture? Especially when that culture has absurd beliefs and is intent on taking over its host. And more especially due to the amount of hypocrisy involved. While seeking to change Western society, Muslims expect to be treated with the freedom all Western societies allow But which Muslim cultures allow reciprocal rights in their own countries? Can I open a pub in Riyadh? Can women wear whatever they want in Muslim countries without falling foul of the 'sharia'? Are people free to practise whichever religion they choose in Muslim countries (let alone build churches , temples etc)

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