Salah Ali: Criticism is a vital part of free expression

Submitted by Plato (India), Sep 11, 2009 at 11:03

Salah ali you wrote,

>>Now I am back. There had been some errors in spelling above but they are clear as I improvise my answers.<<

Good to see you back.

>> Now can you tell what would be the result of continued fight and critisism? If the West believes in freedom and free-expression why then it continues criticism of Islam …<<

Criticism, my dear Salah Ali, is a vital part of free expression. If one cannot criticize ideas, people, philosophies, religions or the bad weather then there is no more freedom of expression.

>>… and the occupation: militarily of Afghanistan and mentally Iraq? Isn't not democratic to live and leave others to their life?<<

The Americans went there to hunt down two dangerous beasts. One they have killed the other still eludes them. I am sure, as they plan to do in Iraq soon, they will quit Afghanistan too and let some other hopefully defanged beasts take over. And maybe history will repeat itself if they have not learned any lessons.

>>The West is reviving Hitlerism, a sort of latent Hitlerism while claim it is democratic!<<

If the West is not democratic which other countries are? Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Libya, Jordan, Syria, Egypt….? What is your definition of democracy?

>>Is it democratic to kill the children and bombard sleeping families in Iraq and Afghanistan?<<

Now that is something that Allah also does enthusiastically and regularly by His own claim:

007.004 YUSUFALI: How many towns have We destroyed (for their sins)? Our punishment took them on a sudden by night or while they slept for their afternoon rest

>>No one in our world should impose anything on anyone man or woman.<<

But Allah has given the right to impose Islam to the Prophet and his followers has he not?:

058.021 YUSUFALI: Allah has decreed: "It is I and My messengers who must prevail": For Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.

>>..But you made a wrong, an orientalist image that's wrong but go on believing in it, making enemies and losing all possibilities of friendship and common understanding.<<

That is a strange statement. Allah is the one who considers all non-Muslims enemies of Muslims. And Allah tells Muslims not to be friends with non-Muslims:

003.118 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.

004.144 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?

>>You call cartoons free-expression, and you even smear Jesus Christ in the name of freedom,…<<

In the name of religion the Koran blasphemes Jesus Christ by denying him God's fatherhood. Is only Mohammed (alias Allah) allowed such freedom?

>>… your women have turned into legal prostitutes in the name of freedom…<<

You seem not to have heard of misyar marriages which is legalized prostitution.

>>…you live empty and trite life in the name of freedom, you spend your life and energy paying bills in the name of wellfare...<<

The large majority of Muslims after "purifying" themselves by splashing water on their arms legs and faces and up their nostrils, make Arabic sounds five times a day without having a clue to what they are saying or doing and make strange genuflections which includes raising their rear ends to the sky. You spend nearly ten per cent of a year in fasting during daylight hours to discover what a hungry man suffers and then go and gorge yourself with food after sundown to last a hungry family for a week. You call this spirituality. I would rather spend my life paying for energy which gives me a trite but comfortable life.

>>You do all the wrongs in the world under the label of freedom <<

And Muslims do all the wrongs in the name of the religion of Islam. Genocide of the Jews of Arabia, mutual killings in the name of purity of religion. Attack, conquer and take booty from people if their invitations to Islam are rebuffed.

>>You have created Al-Qaeda, encouraged the Wahhabis…<<

Very flattering. Is it so easy to use Islam to misguide Muslims?

>>… and manufacture weapons in the name of freedom,…<<

You want us to stop manufacturing weapons? The easier for Muslims to fulfil Allah's dream in: 009.033 YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

>>..you despoil children in the name of freedom...You vreate all the evils in the name of freedom...And now you turn into despots in the name of freedom>>

A little clarity on how non-Muslims achieve these feats would have been helpful. All you are really doing is abusing the freedom this blog gives you to express yourself.

>>You best now read the Qur'an and learn how to get rid of all evils and worship the one God.<<

The one true God says He is Himself responsible for evil. 113.001 – 113.02 YUSUFALI : Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn From the mischief of created things;

Allah also allows Satan to work mischief among men: 007.013- 016 YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."
(Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite." He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way

>>Be true from within, clean from within, kind to others,<<

Allah throws uncleanness of non-Muslims, how can we be clean from within: Quran 6:125, "… . whomsoever He intends that He should cause him to err, He makes his breast strait and narrow as though he were ascending upwards; thus does Allah lay uncleanness on those who do not believe."

Allah does not want Muslims to be kind to non-Muslims: 009.073 YUSUFALI: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

>>…just to oneself and others, and after all respect women. respect children<<

Koran 9:73 tells Muslims to be not just but hard on non-Muslims. Koran 4:34 allows Muslims to beat their wives if they suspect they may be disobedient. That is not respect for women. Respect children? It is better to love them.

>>…and respect life.<<

The Koran asks Muslims not to respect life in several verses: 014.003 YUSUFALI: Those who love the life of this world more than the Hereafter, ….: they are astray by a long distance

006.032 YUSUFALI: What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter….

009.038 YUSUFALI: … Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.

Verse 4:77 …. Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right…..

>>…you place yourself above others..<<

Allah places Muslims above others: 003.110 YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, ….. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.: [NON-MUSLIMS ABUSED]

>>And you are Godless! <<

You expect me to believe in an invisible being who calls me a perverted transgressor?

>>God is above us all and He sees and He hears..<<

I have yet to see any evidence of this claim of your Koran. If He can see and hear He must also have a tongue. Why is He afraid of talking to us directly instead of passing on messages third hand? (to Gabriel, then Muhammad and then the Koran)

>>..will go on building the city of God that is the city of love and justice in one world without terror, hunger or fear…<<

You can build this city of Allah only when there are no more non-Muslims left as He wants you to abhor and not love them: 005.080 YUSUFALI: Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the Unbelievers. Evil indeed are (the works) which their souls have sent forward before them (with the result), that Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.

>> ..and we need to cooperate not fight,..<<

Will you dare to cooperate with me, a non-Muslim after reading 5:80??

>>…but the West education is education that divides the World, education of division and invasion, of the Lord of the Rings and harry Potter.<<

Islamic education teaches to divide the world into dar al Islam and dar al harb. And you are authorized by the Lord of the Universe to invade dar al harb after calling them to Islam by authority of Koran 9:29 and 9:111.

>>Ask yourself is the world Christian only?<<

The Lord of the Universe wants the world to be for Muslim only: 003.085 YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

>>What about the freedom to believe?<<

Read 3:85 quoted above once more and get a clue about what the Lord of the Universe thinks about the freedom to believe.

>>We do not divide the world. It is your practices not our theories that divide the world...<<

Who divides the world into dar al harb and dar al Islam?? Muslims or non-Muslims?

>>..will continue, but if I read impolite expressions in your comment, I will stop writing:<<

If you do find any impolite expression in my post, quote it and stop writing. But before you do that read these verses from the Koran to understand what an impolite expression is: 9:28, 9:95, 98:6. These will do for now.

Regards

Plato

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