Just call me - Oliver

Submitted by Oliver (United States), Feb 27, 2008 at 22:47

So what if Allah is not YHVH. By your logic, we should never call YHVH "God", as that is a GERMAN PAGAN TERM, is it not? We should burn all the bibles that use that word, because one should NEVER refer to YHVH by another name. Why is it acceptable to call YHVH "GOD" or even "G-D"?

Thank you – I believe we are making some headway – let us ‘agree' then, that the god who's NAME is YHVH and the god who's NAME is Allah are not the same god. The English WORD (TERM) god / God / G-d / g-d / GOD / G-D may well be derived from a Germanic (actually Gothic) word. But, I could find no evidence that even suggested that this word (term) was the NAME of a Germanic (Gothic) GOD. For all I can tell, it too was a generic word (term) that referred (shall I say – pointed one's thoughts) to the deity. Oddly enough, we only know of this word (term) from a Gothic translation of the OT/NT (Codex Argenteus) and the ‘alphabet' used to portray the Gothic language (which apparently was not a written language and no one speaks today) looks remarkably like Greek. The letters resembled rjV - hummm, why not god?? There's no way of telling what ‘sounds' were assigned to those letters. Why is it acceptable to refer to YHVH as ‘God' or ‘Ilah' or ‘Theos' or ‘Dios' or ‘Elah' or ‘Eloah' or ‘Elohim' or ‘El'? Because they are all generic words (terms) that refer to the deity – not one of them is the NAME of the deity. I am not opposed to referring to the deity with generic words (terms) – I am opposed to calling one god by the NAME of another. Let us revisit ‘elohim' for a moment: in Genesis 23:6 elohim is used in ‘reference' to Abraham and in Genesis 30:8 elohim is used in ‘reference' to Jacob's second wife Rachel – now, are these two people somehow to be considered GOD – no, I don't think so.

Once again, you have yet to prove that any Arab countries have demanded that Allah be removed from bibles. You either claim that it's PC for Christians and Jews to use Allah, or claim that Muslims are against Christians and Jews using it (which is generally speaking, untrue). As a result, you're argument is a contradictory oxymoron. If it's "PC" (whatever that means any more)- well then, where's your proof? Dhimmi never gave any either. He's far too busy bashing me- and a lot of other people as well - to bother to do that.

Isn't it amusing how the ‘use' of the NAME Allah by Jews and Christians is such a double-edged sword? As far as I am concerned, Islam is truly a ‘Religio-Political System' (don't bother looking that up – I think I just ‘coined' the phrase) and it is (IMHO) as a result of the oppression of Dhimmitude (that originated in the Islamic System) that the ‘PC-use' of the NAME Allah in reference to the deity of the Jews and Christians (calling one god by the NAME of another) was forcibly instituted among the dhimmified ‘people of the book'. I suggest that over the centuries of oppression the usage became habit and that now these plighted people are simply in ignorance of what they are doing. Hummm ... "you're argument is a contradictory oxymoron" ... isn't that phrase 'oxymoronic'? Or at least something like a logical 'double-negative' ... if there is such a thing ... you've got me there.

No the site I mentioned does not refer to God, it refers to the Tati language. I posted it simply to give you background info on Tati, not background info on the word for God in Persian. You are more than welcome to visit your local library and research this interesting subject in further detail if you like.

Please help me out here – is Khoda the NAME of a Persian GOD or is it a generic word (term) to refer to the deity?

Calling you a sanctimonious religious absolutist isn't calling you "names". It's a fitting description for your chosen belief system.

I do believe you are beginning to ‘see' things aright - sanctimonious religious absolutist – is more like my ‘title' – but my NAME is Oliver.

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