dhimmi

Submitted by Ibrahim Ali (United Kingdom), Jun 5, 2007 at 09:09

I do not think you understood a single word of what i wrote you and do you know why? Because you ain't no historian. It is very clear that you did not read what Crone wrote. I do not want to call you a plagiarist but I believe that your post was not your original ideas, and you know why? because a serious historian knows very well that history is not black and white (more so when we are dealing with fiction) and that one have to be careful about the sources and understanding the sources behind the souce. And you know what? I do not think that you read Meccan Trade and if you did you did not read it with care.

I wonder why Crone is starting to backdown from her claims.

As for Muhammad yes he existed and you know what? We hear about him _first_ from sources external to the tradition (see hoyland survey) but we do not hear anything about him for 72 years after his death (see Hoyland survey) from Muslim sources and why is that our dear Ibrahim?

But dhimmi the spartans had no wriiten work, and yet we trust they oral tradition.

So let me make it easy for you: you quoted a hadith in regard to the saga of Allah and Hubal but you know what? The hadith is bogus all of it that is and do you want to know more? And notice that a careful historian would have provided us with the isnad of the hadith, the source of the hadith and the matn in Arabic. Sorry buddy may be in Pakistan you read translations but a serious historian must read the source in its primary language Arabic that is a language that you do not seem to know.

I guess you haven't seen this:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/hadith.html

The first real historical character in the islamic saga is Mu3awiya! How do you explain that?

But dhimmi, haven't you seen any of these:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/hamid1.html

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/hamid2.html

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/hamid3.html

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/hajri.html

and there is plenty of more on that site.

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