Q7:157

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 22, 2008 at 21:26

Jennifer wrote

>Interesting. So you're saying, Qur'an 7:157 would read: "educated, gentile, Biblical prophet".

No you should read it as: The prophet who belongs to the line of Biblical prophets (but he is ) gentile.

So was Muhammad uneducated or not? We really do not know even if this Muhammad even existed

>Do you bring this up because the prophets of the Bible were all Jewish?

No I'm telling you what the Qur'an says

>Why doesn't it state Mo's name? How do we know which "prophet of Islam" this is?

Well this is the point that I make and I must give credit to Wansbrough for pointing out the obvious, and that is the name of Muhammad/Ahmad is mentioned only 5 times in the Qur'an so never assume that the Qur'an is really talking about a Muhammad unless you see his name in the verse.

>Another verse from the Qur'an states Abraham was neither a polytheist, nor a Jew, nor a Christian (Q.3:67), however he (Ibrahim) is the spiritual father of all believers.

Well that is what it says

>Seems like the Qur'an just took parts of the Old Testament, mostly, and very little of the New Testament, and did a 360 with them all.

Very true

>And it's a mess, as you say.

Well whoever put the Qur'an together was not a systematic theologian

>You know what's funny - up until this day, Islam is still trying to adopt more from the Bible.

A new phenominon has sprung up over the net - at least, I did not know about it. It can be described as "the Qur'an confirms the teachings of the Apostle Paul".

Neither the Qur'an nor the Hadith ever mention the name of Paul. But sites such as submission.org, thetruecall.com, answer-islam.com and other pro-Islamic sites are repeating the history of the origins of the Qur'an - taking parts of the Bible and twisting them.

Somehow, somewhere they've realized Paul was a pretty important guy, Biblically. He was - Paul wrote most of the New Testament.

Of course, this idea that the Qur'an confirms Paul's teachings is ridiculous. Paul preached a crucified Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 1:23), who was the Son of God.

The Qur'an preached a non-crucified Jesus (Surah 4:157) who was a prophet.

This is the point that I made about the poor theology of the Qur'an. A God does not die and Jesus did not die in the Qur'an therefore the Qur'an is really saying that jesus is a prophet who creates life and did not die which means that Jesus must be

1. A prophet

2. A God.

>There's many more differences, but the point is, again, Islam is using the Qur'an to twist the info. of the Bible.

Too late for them to add the name "Paul."

I agree

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