Ignorance is the last refuge of the Moslem or why does Islam kill apostates?

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 26, 2008 at 19:25

Khaled Al-Mutairy wrote :

>Ianus from anti-Semitic/anti-secular Poland wrote<

Paradoxical to see a Moslem caring for Jews and secularity! FYI , we have no laws punishing with stoning, decapitation, hanging etc. anyone willing to sell their land to a Jew ... as is the case in Jordan or in your beloved Saudi Arabia or in many other Islamic paradises. Quite disturbing, isn't it? And I myself am 100% for Israel ! How about you?

>İ simply imply that you are just ignorant, and seem to have this bad habit of spreading hatred against İslam rather than maturely accepting the viewpoint from that of a Muslim –who is only here trying to clear out misunderstandings –albeit a plethora of erratic, badly thought-out articles/posts by people who simply find it easier to label the religion of 1.3 billion people as ‘evil'<

How morally superb, how sweet, how self-righteous! I have often noticed that ignoramuses tend to moralize, to show how dishonest and how immoral their opponents are. It makes me think on PC at its worst - a Moslem self-glorifying , boasting about his splendid ability "to clear out misunderstandings"! ... But the worst misunderstading is to take a Moslem's words at its face values. Moslems use the same words we kafirs do but they mean quite different things. Generally, Islam - the religion of Lies and War - engenders liars and hypocrites and murderers.

>İ don't need ‘theories by Allah' to prove that you are just ignorant, and a racist.<

As a Moslem you're sort of little Allah , a Mohamed in miniature - as perfect, as infallible as himself. You all Moslems are! I experience that every time I meet a Moslem!

! >İnterestingly enough, İslam is the fastest growing religion in the United States, Europe, and parts of Asia.<

The fact is not interesting. It's fateful and is fraught with future wars, genocides, bloodsheds, slavery and cultural degradation ... just like the growth of Islam in the 7th-8th c. was.

>İ guess the world is becoming more and more "evil" one Conversion/Shahaada at a time! Or maybe people are simply enamored by the poetic Qalimaat (words) of the Quran --which, alas, are often grossly mistranslated/misquoted by those with a rogue agenda to smear our Religion.<

A religion that has always spread through terror, public beheadings, intimidation and crime must indeed have much "poetry" to offer to the newly-converted or the candidates for conversion, needn't it? ;) ‘'Ever-present vices and crimes?"

>Kindly substantiate your claim.<

What did Muhammad ibn Abdullah do to the Jews in Medina e.g.? Did they fly with him on al-Buraq to Jeruslam with one-way tickets or what?

>Otherwise your post is just garbage (along with the rest of the hateful tirade you wasted your time typing).<

Your post is garbage decorated in gold packing, 100% Moslem propaganda at its worst. < Now I am curious how you got that word "all"? Has your Quran told it to you or you suggest you do know ALL the members of this ... forum (I wish you did put that "f ..." word in between) to make valid conclusions>

>İ don't know why the editors decided to put ‘....' there.<

The editors? So what did you put in between?

>Rest-assured, İ don't need to use foul language to prove a simple point that you still fail to fathom.<

I noticed you prefer sweet phrases to decorate your trite Islamic slogans with.

>Actually, İ do not know any members of this forum. İ couldn't anyays, since it was my first time browsing it. ...<

You wrote something about the knowledge of "ALL" the members of this forum and now you admit "I don't know any member of this forum". Have you ever cared about logic?

>İt is easy to propagate lies and smearing-campaigns against İslam<

Wrong! It's not that easy given the permeating PC, Moslem mobs and the unholy alliance between the Eurabian satraps in Brussels and the Moslem hordes inundating the continent and the Oriental despots. What is easy nowadays is spreading your brain-washing and propaganda as it is officially supported by the venal media and PC police of the west. The official guideline for this EU dhimmitude policy is Recommendation 1162/1991 , if you need some details.

>–but no evidence has been provided to support your facts.<

Let's come back to the events in Medina around 627!

>İ could go make anti-Christian or anti-Jewish remarks and spread lies about these Abrahamic faiths as well.<

"Lies"? Interesting usage by a follower of the only "true" religion?

>But İ need not (and could not) sink to that level of desperation by resorting to said tactics.<

How kind and sweet of you!

>İ happen to have undying respect for any faith that helps people be spiritual and be on the 'right path' –those which ask of me to respect and show compassion to the views of others, to work hard, and play a constructive role in society.<

Soft soap, empty words! Allah doesn't share your "generous" view...! "The Religion in the sight of Allah is Islam." (Qur'an 3:19) Fool some other people on how tolerant you're and how good Islam is! Islam is the cancer of this world!

>Whatever God you worship and whatever religion you preach/follow is a private matter anyways.<

Not in Islam! It's up to the the ummah to decide on everybody's faith. Or why is Saudi Arabia 100% Moslem and Turkey 99,8% Islamic? Why does Islam kill apostates ?

>2:256 There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Al}ah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.<

The verse is abrogated e.g. by 9:5

"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

>"2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."<

Abrogated e.g. by 5.51

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

>Again –silly and pointless remark. Actually İ never get to make it to Jummah Prayers due to my work schedule (İ wish İ could).<

What is the punishment for blasphemy in most Moslem lands? A eulogy in a moque perhaps on Friday?

>As for Turkish ‘'racism and megalomania" –kindly explain. Every single expatriate İ have met here had undying love for Turkey and its people –all of whom had no incidents of racism against them.<

Ne mutlu türküm diyene.

>Again, you fall victim to lies and stereotypes without ever having travelled to the country or even posing your questions to Turks so they could talk some better sense into you.<

I have met enough Turks in my life and read enough relevant literature on the subject to know what I am talking about. And whatever your travelling exploits might be, they haven't taught you critical thinking. In fact being a Moslem and having a critical mind are mutually exclusive notions. You can travel around the world all you life and remain a grim obscurantist you're in my eyes!

>İ'll tell you one thing for sure. The staff at any Turkish airport wont harass or interrogate people based on their race or background –unlike in the States where being Middle Eastern/Muslim can be a liability (especially when travelling there).<

I was told and witnessed that despite 9/11 (another horrendous Moslem crime against humanity) the Moslems in the US are still treated as if nothing had happened! I saw the airport guards molest an elderly lady while a beared Saudi was left uncontrolled ... not to provoke the accusation of "racism"!!!! ... What a farce! For 9/11 every Moslem in the West should pay a special Moslem-only anti-Islam tax to finance the enormous security expenses caused by Moslems' terrorism.

But no, more and more Saudi bribes and Saudi-bought politicians gain power and ruin this land! How sick and suicidal!

>America went through, and continues to go through out-of-control racism and ignorance.<

How different from Saudi Arabia or any smaller Moslem paradise it is ! In Saudi Arabia e.g. the Religion Police is so polite and tolerant of all atheists, Jews, Hindus... They help them with their holy books, kiss Bibles routinely, despise no non-Arabs ...

But America - racism , ignorance , Islamophobia ... What an obscurantist you are...!

>Turkey has been secular and relished its multi-ethnic history since the beginning of the Ottoman Empire!<

Live on in your Moslem dreamland, man! Or read some of my (or others') posts on the subject on this forum. Turkey is a nation based on jihad, genocides, janissaries, most oppressive Islamic laws and brutal oppression of its non-Moslem minorities. Or what was "devshirme"? What happened to the Armenians, Greeks, Bulgarians? Why were the Kurds denied their most basic rights?

>Racism? Try again my son.< Ne mutlu türküm diyene!

>For the record, İ am not Turkish.<

For the record, Ataturk was not Turkish, either. He was allegedly secular which didn't prevent him from becoming the father of Turkish jingoism and a gazi - a holy warrior in Allah's path.

>But being the son of a diplomat, İ have lived in Buenos Aires, Washington DC, Cairo, İslamabad, Algiers, Rome and now am in Turkey (where İ live and work). Those are places İ have lived in; İ have travelled to many more countries. İ am proud to say İ have seen the best of the world and met lovely people of different faiths/beliefs.<

You have boasted enough! Now come back to my remarks !

>İ recommend the same for you and others on here.<

Being a member of the most corrput and decadent Saudi elite? Thanks! Being a kaffir and a free man is sweeter than the sweetest oil cake in the Saudi embassy with a rich life-long sinecure abroad got through all-embracing Saudi nepotism !

>İ'm glad you seek "truth and nothing else" by browsing the internet ...<

It's better than browsing the Quran to mislead the naive and the unprepared as it is your tatics!

>--Keep it up. Senator McCarthy must be smiling amicably in his grave.<

King ibn Saud must be smiling too. He used to smile a lot sending people to his beahading centres and introducing his wahhabi ways with swords and sticks.

>Weeds do grow fast indeed! How cute, you're now embedding a few Latin phrases. Can İ join the game?<

Si revera id vis, possumus colloquium Latine pergere, sus Islamica!

>‘'veritas vos liberabit"<

Dixit "veritas", sed animo "Quranum" concepit. <"Constructive dialogue" with Moslems? About what? About how "beautiful" their stupid and sickening fairy tales are and how bloody and inhuman the reality of Islam is? You want to hear the former but I can't but insist on the latter. So you see the truth tends to conduct no "constructive dialogues" with big lies. It tends to fight its enemy.

> Right Right. ‘'Stupid"..."sickening fairy tales"..."bloody and inhuman"..."big lies"

>Argued like a true intellectual!<

The flight of al-Buraq - the first ever supersonic flight, wasn't it, Moslem? Impossible to qualify it as "stupid" ! Assassinating poetress Asma bint Marwan was not "bloody and inhuman"! After all she was killed while asleep, wasn't she? And the killer got his 72 virgins in paradise, right?

The revelations like those quoted above about exterminating us kafirs were no "sickening fairy tales"? Why? We kafirs have no right to exist in the Moslem order of the world, do we? So why should we complain? Allah, the Moon God, decided in 3.19 and he knows best, doesn't he?

>İt is tough to acknowledge the truth (or even quest to confront/seek the truth) when you already believe in your own lies –lies that you believed because of what people told you to believe. You can only be a real man if you see things from a more neutral and fair perspective.<

What is your definition of truth then?

>For the record - by "constructive dialoge" İ mean a panel whereby we can compare the similarities of the 3 Abrahamic faiths.<

You mean what every Moslem means "A panel whereto only those will be admitted whose views are a priori pro-Islamic as in the case of the infamous Paris colloquy of 1991 which preceded the issue of the stupid and criminal Recommendation 1162/1991 which is now part of EU law.

>A more rational one at that. İ would hope that the media will start playing a positive role to bridge the gap.<

"Positive"? Interesting twisting of meaning. You mean "dhimmi", "pro-Islamic"!!!

>ad multos annos! =-)<

Cui tot annos ominaris? Mihi an tibi, sus Islamica!

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