And a reply to this guy Khaled and Q9:5 abrogates Q2:256

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 4, 2008 at 19:50

Our dear Khaled whose daddy is a diplomat wrote

>So what did we learn from our dear Khaled this time? Nothing. Not a thing

>What do you want to know?

What do you think that i want to know?

I read this as: you have no answer and as for respect: you have to earn it

>İ have already earned respect. İ don't resort to personal attacks, don't have a habit of racial and personal insults, and have done my best to argue with facts (albeit a complex topic). You are the one who lacks respect, and should be treated thusly. Mend your ways if you want to be taken seriously and show some respect. Otherwise, don't waste my time.

Let me repeat it one more time: respect is earned and you have not earned it

Oh really? From where? You are accusing me of plagiarism and I take this very seriously.

>Good (you should). Take it easy on the propaganda websites then. You don't know anything about İslam. You just keep referring to your right-wing zionist websites that aim to smear İslam (and with the worst translations İ have ever seen). Quit pretending like you are a scholar on İslam and you know Arabic. You probably haven't even left your own country and travelled. LoL.

You did not answer my question: you accused me of plagiarism and you either put up or shut up

and do you know why you have no answer? because you are clueless!

>İ was thinking the same about you. Look at your reply. You just wasted your time typing that. Spare us your garbage and overly emotinal tirades.

I read this as: you have no answer

Q2:256 was abrogated by ayat al-sayf? You tell us ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer. The confused is you. You do not know any Arabic remember your little gem: ijtihad?

>LoL. Mashy ya GHAABY. Keep reading, ya 3abeet soghayar.

Our dear Khaled is saying: OK stupid O little retarded. You still did not answer my question: how come you did not know that ayat al-sayf abrogated Q2:256?

> Yes it was. And İ am from Bahrain you idiot –it's an Arabic country and Arabic is my first language.

Really? you could have fooled me

Then provide us with your answer to my claim that Q2:256 was abrogated by ayat al-sayf. And you think that i will go away?

>Just to remind the viewers – 2:256 encompasses that there is no compulsion to religion. This guy ‘dhimi' (or whatever your name is) failed to notice something.

Really? let me see.

>"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORDS." 6:115

So? And where does it say: ina ayat al-sayf la tansukh ayat la ikrah fi al-deen. Let me help you: it does not and as you shall see below your translation is bogus

>Read the first 5 verses of Surah 9 (İ will post it here, so that you don't have to refer to your fox news/zionist quality websites)

Snip islamic gobbledygook

>Okay now lets go to Ayat Al-Seif....would want people to believe that this is the literal translation of the Ayat

What literal translation? and what does this have to do with the fact that ayat al-sayf abrogated Q2:256?

>"Once the Sacred Months are past, you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful." 9:5

>Due to the corrupt interpretation of this verse, we find that it has been largely used to claim that the Quran advocates the killing of all the infidels wherever and whenever they are encountered. Because of that, they have reduced Islam to being labelled 'the religion of the sword'!

It is in black and white. You said it buddy: islam was indeed spread by the sword

>People like you claim with all audacity that divine Quranic revelation in no less than 114 Quranic verses have been abrogated by one single verse!!!!

I think the number is 124. The Qur'an is divine? really?

>They commit this sinister crime despite God's clear confirmation that no words of the Quran are abrogated:

Islamic gobbledygook

>"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORDS." 6:115

No your translation is bogus your Arabian Allah says wa tammat (and completed) kalimatu (the word of) rabaka (your God) sadiqan (in truth) wa 3adlan (and justice) la mubadila (and no change) likalmaatiha (to his word) or nothing can change his word and not your bogus Nothing shall abrogate it. If your Allah would have said: wa lashay'n sayansukhu kalimatuhu you would be correct but this is not what the ays says. It does not say anything about naskh and you are ignorant. And let me explain it to you the big time 3abeet:

1. Your Allah is saying that you cannot change anything in the Qur'an because it is his word

2. So even abrogated verses stay where they are

3. Which means that ayat al-sayf abrogaes Q2:256 but Q2:256 does not go any where

You are and you must pardon me, a demagogue and ignorant

I urge you to abandon Islam and Arabian imperialism

>İ urge you to abandon ignorance and racism.

Muslims are a race? really?

> İf you don't like Arabic culture, stay far away from our side of the world then.

We have to study the enemy of our civilization and that is islam

>Unfortunately for you – every time you fill up your gas tank, you can thank us! Your money is always welcome! Us GCC countries' economy are BOOMİNG. American economy going down the drain. Learn to be a man! Accept this reality =-D

What does this have to do with the fact that ayat al-sayf abrogates Q2:256 and that you are a demagogue and 3abeet?

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Aother victim of Arabian imperialism

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