Our dear Khaled and the Qur'an and Q2:256

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 28, 2008 at 09:12

Our dear Khaled who seems to be having a big time meltdown or inhiar 3asabi ...wrote

>Whatever God you worship and whatever religion you preach/follow is a private matter anyways.

Really? then why do we have ayat al-sayf and ayat al-jizya?Explain it to us ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer

>2:256 There is no compulsion in religion;

Oh the la ikrah fi al-deen thing! We heard this one before but what our dear Khaled does not tell us is that based on the Islamic doctrine of al-nasikh wa al-mansukh or the Allah changing his mind doctrine this aya was abrogated by ayat al-sayf or Q9:5 and the infamous iqtoloo al-mushrikeen.

Now I have a few questions for you our dear Khaled whose ancestors were victims of Arabian imperialism:

1. Would you agree with me that the last sura revealed to Abul Qasim was surat al-tauba? Right?

2. Based on the doctrine of al-nasikh wa al-mansukh any thing revealed in surat al-tauba will abrogate similar despenastions in same subject matter in earlier revelations! Right? Remember the khamra thing? and do Saudis still enjoy a drink of Yuhana mashi bil talj (Johnnie Walker on the rocks)?

3. So the la ikrah fi al-deen has been abrogated by ayat al-sayf! How come you did not know that?

4. Or could it be that you already knew that but you were hoping that we proud infidels do not know?

5. And while we are at it why does your Arabian Allah change his mind? and why does he not get it right the first time?

6. Are you also aware that in the exegesis (tafseer) of 2:256 and to quote Cook: "....there was a view that the "no compulsion" verse was revealed with specific reference to a certain group in Mecca. In pre-Islamic times we are told a woman would swear that if she bore a child she would place it among the local Jews the idea being to secure it a long life.When Islam came there were some children in this position. So when the Jewish tribe of Nadir was expelled from Mecca people said: 'To this the prophet had no answer until God sent down the no compulsion verse thereby ruling that it was for the children to choose between Judaism and Islam" So much for the no compulsion in religion

7. And if this was indeed your Allah's final word then why tell the pagans of Mecca to convert to islam or be killed (as per ayat al-sayf)? And do you know what this means? It means that even if you are a Saudi then your ancestors were brutalized by Islam and by an Arabian warlord and caravan raider by the name of Abul Qasim! and why is that Stockholm syndrome of yours? So much for the la ikrah fi al-deen and so much for the claim that islam was not spread by the sword.

8. If we turn to Tabari we will find the following (see Cook): "the verse (2:256) refered only to those eligible to pay the jizya in which case it added nothing to ayat al-jizya (Q9:29)" How come you did not know that?

9. And why would your Arabian Allah tell you to fight ahl al-kitab for no reason at all? and why would your Allah tell you to kill yes kill the mushrikeen? And who are these mushrikeen? let me help you: they must be the Jews and Christians as per Q9:30! How come you did not that either?

I urge you to abandon islam and be whole again and join the rest of humanity that have no stomach for this opaque and violent revelation called al-Qur'an

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