Proof that the Quran is not corrupt

Submitted by sTs (United Arab Emirates), Sep 10, 2008 at 07:45

Plato,

This will be the last reply, if I don't see any improvement in your logic

1. >>It is already proven that the bible is corrupt book, even admitted by the churches<< - Now reply on the corruption of the bible as I mentioned in this forum. I have showed many in different occasions that the Bible is corrupt. can you refute these corruptions

2. To begin with the Koran in your possession is not an exact copy of the original compiled by Abu Bakr/Othman - To answer your silly argument - do you know that people who memorised the Quran never ceased - the chain never broken - so the markings on many letters were introduced for later generation to know the spelling of the words - the people when they recited the Quran, they have the proper spelling - but not in writing - the early followers of Mohammad relied on reciting the Quran more than reading it. Can you tell me in the middle ages in Europe how many people were able to read - what was their %age - very few - so is in Arabia during Mohammad time and shortly after him. when the punctuation were introduced there were many followers of Mohammad were still alive and they memorized the Quran by heart - so their pronounciation was excellent. So much for your logic.

3. calling God's creation ‘najees' - Yes the athiests and polythiests are "Najas"(Unclean) - they are not clean - they don't wash after going to toilet, they are not circumcised, they are "Najas" where is the problem of calling unclean people najas even if they are God's creation - but they are unclean - SO WHAT? - silly logic.

4. Allah's creation, the Jews, pigs and apes? - seems you are unlearned, you talk in Islam and you have no clue what you are talking about - in one incident, God turned some Jews into pigs and monkeys, because they disobeyed and worked on the sabbath. not all the jews, and that was long time ago.

5.paradise in exchange for killing or being killed in Allah's cause? - It is in the bible too, who is killed is a martyr and will go to paradise , and in here it does not refer to any killing, it refers to kill those who attack you to kill you, (the aggressors)- so much for your learning,

6. allowing the collection of booty from defeated people, including their women and children taken as slaves - This is similar as in the bible - why you deny some and agree with some? remember what God told the Israelites to do when entering Palestine?

7. the reasons for collecting ‘zakat' is to bribe unbelievers to accept Islam - Absolutely WRONG - who gave this translation is lying to you - it means take from the rich and give to the poor , the poor relatives, people who are travelling, for every one who is poor and new in Islam, - Can you tell me what Christian missionaries do ? they give money to who convert from Islam to Christianity - this is happening in large scale in Africa. Is it NOT? and if they don't convert, they cut-off food on them.

8. collect the jiziya tax from unbelievers and humiliate them in the process - IT shows your poor education and understanding of Islam, during the early days of Islam, many raids on Muslim by the athiests occured in the Muslim's towns, there are non-Muslims living among the Muslims, for their protection because they do not fight with the Muslims - they have to pay an amount for their protection, this is not done today, but it should. look in Palestine who fight the occupation by the Jews, only the muslims, the Arab christians do not fight. because of this they should pay Jizyah.

All what you mentioned above does not show that the Quran is Corrupt by the people - show me how the Quran is corrupt by the people. it is still the same book as descended on Mohammad.

The Quran is understood very clearly, however there are few verses that are disputed on their translation, but they are not critical verses, they do not change our practice of Islam or worship to God, and they will be answered in due course of time, when new technologies emerge.

The translation is something else, the bible was corrupted and the translation to other languages made it even worse. The Quran is not a corrupted book and it is still the reference in Arabic, people whith their good intentions or bad intentions in translating the Quran they make errors in the translations, this create different meaning to the words and understanding of the meanings of the Quran, however this does not change the reality that the Quran in its original text is pure, not harmed, it is preserved for all times.

(22:2, 26:192-195) - what is the connection? -

Go to internet and search for scientist converted to Islam - you will be amazed

>> the breath while ascending the sky,….<< - Again silly - When in high mountains you try to breath, there is no oxygen, so you open your mouth for taking more air. (Ascending to the sky) - check the feeling of the pilots of superjet warplanes, their feeling when they go in high speeds up in the sky

>>The pharaoh's drowning,…<< - Dr. Maurice Bucaille a french doctor was given the task of diagosing a mummied pharoah (Egyptian King) in france, his conclusion was that this pharoah dies drowning - (Moses Pharoah was drowned). This Dr. Converted to Islam

- >> The Pyramids building,…<< - Do you know how the pyramids built? I doubt - here is the verse and the reference - Quran "Pharoah said:" O Chiefs! I know no God for you other than me. So kindle for me (a fire) O Haman, to bake (bricks) clay, and set up for me a lofty tower in order that I may look at the God of Moses" (Q 28:38) and the reference is (Joseph Davidovits), "They built the Pyramids"

>> the big bang theory,…<< - The big bang theory mentioned in the Quran in this verse Quran "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe" (Q 21:30)- If the scientists change their minds, which is unlikely, a new interpretation will emerge, but it does not change God's words, they are intact and they are never changed, the only thing that changes is their interpretations and translations, what God meant never changes.

>>the development of the fetus inside the womb,…<< - You just showed me how ignorant you are - learn from the internet and medical books from where is the liquid that carry the sperms wher this liquid comes from?? how can the sperm travel without this liquid? Also see the stages of Fetus development described by the Quran and described by science today

>> the sky and its layers,…<< Forget about Harun Yehya - I don't like his production - it is very boring - Check the atmospheric layers of the sky, how the scientists defined it into 7 layers and they named each layer, search the internet

>> the expanding universe,…<< - The Quran is very clear and made this point very clear, I don't have to go to any translator to understand it . Verse Quran "With power We did construct the heavens, verily We are expanding the universe" (Q 51:47). so it is clear from scientific point that the universe is expanding and Mohammad told us that God is expanding the universe

>>the darkness inside deep oceans,…<< - How do you know unless you saw it on TV, ignorant

>> the water and the soil,…<< - You see I told you, you are a very ignorant person who wants to talk about something he does not know, stop talking about the Quran and Islam, if you are ignorant. Check verse 22:5 & 41:39 it talks about what happens to the soil when the water enters in to it and then check scientific explanation and relation between water & soil, the vibrations that happens between the two. science view of point on the topic can be found in the internet.

>> the orbiting sun and moon,…<< - Check verse Q 21:33 "And He is it Who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon, each of which are swimming in their own orbits"

" The sun aught not gain impetus more that the limit designated so that it does not catch up the moon or overtake it in motion nor does the night overtake the day and each describes its own orbits" (Quran 36:40)

"He created the heavens and the earth with the truth. He causes the earth to describe its orbit around the sun and by consequence causes He, the night to move around the day and the day to move around the night performing periodical rotation, And He rendered the sun and the moon subservient, each describing its own orbit for an appointed term. He is indeed the All-Mighty, The Oft-Forgiving." (Quran 39:5)

So each one has its own orbit different than the other, this is known scientifically.

>> the sweet water and the salty water,…<< - Your NO commonsense still amazes me. read about the waters of the atlantic ocean and the meditteranean. read about the nile delta pouring in the sea, read about the sweet WATER THAT COMES FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEANS.

did you know about them when you were living during jesus christ time.

"And if you were to call them to true guidance, they will not hear; and you observe them looking at you whereas they have no power to see.' Show forgiveness, enjoin equity, and avoid the ignorant." (Quran 7:198-199)

the solar system, the rocket, ......<< - read the Quran verse "And when Joseph said to his father;" O my father I saw (in a dream) eleven planets and the sun and the moon, I saw them all prostrating themselves to me" (Quran 12:4) - At present time the scientist have classified the solar system of eleven planets (check my previous comment on this forum)

Read this in the Quran "You surely shall ride (travel) a stage off stage " (Quran 84:19) - Meaning that we shall ride rockets that have different layers (Stages) that part from each other during the rocket mission. This verse came in the Surah call the splitting (of the Moon)

I don't know what is your problem with theses two verses 51:47 and 86:7, They are very clear to everyone - 51:47 - We are expanding, the words in Arabic are very clear, the literal translation is very clear, there is no ambiguity in here.

In 86:7 - The meaning of solb (from man) which means between backbones of a man- and tara'eb (from Woman) which means betwen the breast bones of the woman, The meaning is very clear - Gushing Liquid which will carry the sperms and ovum (the sperm is manufactured in the testicles) and (ovum in the ovary) - this Liquid is formed from between the backbone of the man and from between the breast bones of the woman to help the sperms and the ovum to travel. this is very clear and no confusion about it.

You need alot to learn, but I am here to help you if you sincerely want to get help.

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