Here are some explanations Plato

Submitted by sTs (United Arab Emirates), Sep 5, 2008 at 02:55

Plato,

This will be the last reply, if I don't see any improvement in your logic

1. >>It is already proven that the bible is corrupt book, even admitted by the churches<< - Now reply on the corruption of the bible as I mentioned in this forum. I have showed many in different occasions that the Bible is corrupt. can you refute these corruptions

2. To begin with the Koran in your possession is not an exact copy of the original compiled by Abu Bakr/Othman - To answer your silly argument - do you know that people who memorised the Quran never ceased - the chain never been broken - so the marks on many letters were introduced for later generation to know the spelling of the words - the people when they recite the Quran, the have the proper spelling - but not in writing - the early followers of Mohammad relied on reciting the Quran more than reading it. Can you tell me in the middle ages in Europe how many people were able to read - what was their % - very few - so is in Arabia during Mohammad time and shortly after him. when the punctuation were introduced their were many followers of Mohammad were still alive and they memorized the Quran by heart - so their pronounciation was excellent. So much for your logic.

3. calling God's creation ‘najees' - Yes the athiests and polythiests are "Janas"(Unclean) - they are not clean - they don't wash after going to toilet, they are not circumcised, is not shit "najas" where is the problem of vcalling unclean people najas even if they are God's creation - but they are unclean - SO WHAT? - silly logic

4. Allah's creation, the Jews, pigs and apes? - seems you are unlearned, you talk in Islam and you have no clue what you are talking about - in one incident, God turned some Jews into pigs and monkeys, becvause they disobeyed. not all the jews and that was long time ago

5.paradise in exchange for killing or being killed in Allah's cause? - It is in the bible too, who is killed is a martyr and will go to paradise , and in here it does not refering to any killing, it refers to kill those who wants to kill you, (the aggressors)- so much for your learning,

6. allowing the collection of booty from defeated people, including their women and children taken as slaves - This is similar as in the bible - why you deny some and agree with some?

7. the reasons for collecting ‘zakat' is to bribe unbelievers to accept Islam - Absolutely WRONG - who gave this translation is lying to you - it means take from the richa nd give the poor , the poor relatives, people who are travelling, for every one who is poor and new in Islam, - Can you tell me what Christian missionaries do ??? they give money to who convert from Islam to Christianity - this is happening in large scale in Africa. Is it NOT?

8. collect the jiziya tax from unbelievers and humiliate them in the process - IT shows your poor education and understanding of Islam, during the early days of Islam, many raids on Muslim by the athiests occured in the Muslim's towns, there are non-Muslims living among the Muslims, for their protection because they do not fight with the Muslims - they have to pay an amount for their protection, this is not done today

All what you mentioned above does not show that the Quran is Corrupt by the people - show me how the Quran is corrupt by the people. it is still the same book as descended on Mohammad.

The Quran is understood very clearly, however there are some verses that are disputed on their translation, but they are not critical verses, they do not change our practice of Islam or worship to God, and they will be answered in due course of time, when new technologies emerge.

The translation is something else, the bible was corrupted and the translation to other languages made it even worse. The Quran is not a corrupted book and it is still the reference in Arabic, people which their good intentions or bad intentions translate the Quran they make errors in the translations, theis create different meaning to the words and understanding of the meanings of the Quran, however this doea not change the reality that the Quranin its original text is pure, not harmed, it is preserved for all times.

(22:2, 26:192-195) - what is the connection? -

Go to intenet and search for scientist converted to Islam - you will be amazed

>> the breath while ascending the sky,….<< - Again silly - When in high mountains you try to breath, there is no oxygen, so you open your mouth for taking more air. (Ascending to the sky) - check the pilots of warplanes their feeling when they go in high speed up in the sky

>>The pharaoh's drowning,…<< - Dr. Maurice Bucaille a french doctor was given the task of diagosing a mummied pharoah (King) in france, his conclusion was that this pharoah dies drowning - This Dr Converted to Islam

- >> The Pyramids building,…<< - Do you know how the pyramids built? I doubt - here is the verse and the reference - (Q 28:38) and the reference is (Joseph Davidovits), How the Pyramids were built

>> the big bang theory,…<< - The big bang theory mentioned in the Quran in this verse (Q 21:3)- If the scientists change their minds, which is unlikely, a new interpretation will emerge, but it does not change God's words, they are intact and they are never changed, the only thing that changes is their interpretations and translations

>>the development of the fetus inside the womb,…<< - You just showed me how ignorant you are - learn from internet and medical books from where is the liquid the carry the sperms comes from?? Also see the stages of Fetus development described by the Quran and described by science today

>> the sky and its layers,…<< Forget about Harun Yehya - I don't like his production - it is very boring - Check the atmospheric layers of the sky, how the scientists defined it into 7 layers and they named each layer

>> the expanding universe,…<< - The Quran is very clear and made this point very clear, I don't have to go to any translator to understand it . Verse (Q 51:47) says that God created the heavens and that God is expanding it.

>>the darkness inside deep oceans,…<< - How do you know unless you saw it on TV, ignorant

>> the water and the soil,…<< - You see I told you are a veryu ignorant person who wants to talk about something he does not know, stop talking about the Quran and Islam, if you are ignorant. Check verse 22:5 & 41:39 it talks about what happens to the soil when the water falls on it and then check scientific explanation and relation between water & soil

>> the orbiting sun and moon,…<< - Again silly - Did you know that the sun is orbiting the galaxy. the verse in thr Quran says that each is rotating in its own orbit, not mixing in the same orbit so they cannot collide

Lastly because I am fed up writing to you - check this verse (39:5) &

God said do not talk to ignorants and I find it waste of time

"And if you were to call them to true guidance, they will not hear; and you observe them looking at you whereas they have no power to see.' Show forgiveness, enjoin equity, and avoid the ignorant." (Quran 7:198-199)

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