sTs: More about slander, lies and slave girls

Submitted by Plato (India), Oct 20, 2008 at 06:59

>>WELL SAID NURA, in fact I could not put it better than you said

Plato, Dhimmi yes more, and straight talk ... etc all these people they are not here to learn, they are here to slander and lie<<

Oh yeah? So what does your almighty Allah do, but slander and lie? He calls Christians and Jews najis, he calls all unbelievers deaf and dumb and some Jews He claims He converted to pigs and apes – that is slander.

--Allah claims He has a great message for and guidance for humanity but in the next breath says his guidance is only for some who are chosen by Him and misguides others YUSUFALI: If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, "I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together."

– so the claim He has sent guidance is a lie.

>>Waliy or wakeel is Gaurdian, Ruler, Muslims are not supposed to make non-muslims their rulers, gaurdians, because they cannot rule by God's Laws as sent in the Quran and as told by Our belove Mohammad (pbuh).<<

---Well, my dear sTs, why don't you tell Nura to quickly get out of the safe haven of the USA and high tail it to a place ruled by Muslims. She is ruled by unIslamic laws which give her protection, money in the bank and few if any suicide bombers popping off near her children.

>>Muslims should rule themselves. as for friending with christians or Jews, there is no problem, specially if they were neighbors, we may talk to them, visit them, but they should not influence on us to change our beliefs.<<

Now we know why Muslim ghettos spring up all over the infidel world. You are wary of consorting with unbelievers.

You are also afraid that unbelievers will influence Muslims. Is your religion so weak that mixing with infidels will erode your faith? But Muslims think it is alright to do dawa and influence the infidels. Right?

>>…….., women, men being removed from their beloved ones and taken to USA, devouted christians were involved in such slavery.<<

Devoted Muslims were also involved in slavery. Recall the Banu Quraiza. The women and children were sold into slavery to acquire more arms to threaten and conquer and acquire more slaves. Here is what your Allah told his prophet:

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YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; ……and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Your prophet accepted slave girls, which included Maria who he made into his concubine, as presents from other rulers. Why does Allah say at the end He is oft-forgiving and most merciful. Is He forgiving the prophet and his followers for imposing themselves on slave girls and what mercy is Allah showing to the captive women?

I have Malik Ibn Anas' Muwatta in front of me and the index references to slaves fills nearly two pages. If Allah banned slavery why is there so much discussion about slaves in your early law books? I will give you snippets from it later.

Devoted Christians may have been involved in slavery. But Jesus never kept a slave nor did he advocate slavery like your prophet. The devoted Christians were not following their Lord.

>>Islam abolished slavery 1500 years ago.<<

I read this a few hours and I have still not stopped laughing. sTs, you seem to be the only person who has heard this order from Allah. Even His prophet had no clue that Allah had abolished slavery during his lifetime.

Going back to the Muwatta I read in section 43.16: ‘……If the value of the slave is the same as the blood money or even more, that must be paid from his property. That is because the slaves are a category of goods.'

Muwatta 43.21 ……The slave is killed for the free man but the free man is not slain for the slave, even if he murders him intentionally. This is the best of what I have heard.'

This is the best of what Malik Ibn Anas who lived much closer to the Prophet's time heard. You, sTs, living 1500 years after Mohammed, have heard different?

>>Dharfoor is a political issue to put more pressure on Sudan to allow missionary agencies preach in Darfour and convert Muslims to christianity. also to put their hand on the uranium rich region. it is an evil plot that is Sudan is awake and not sleeping to understand.<<

More whining about Muslims being made into victims of Christian conspiracy.

Regards

Plato

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