Apostasy laws are equivalent with our treason laws, How so?

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Oct 27, 2008 at 07:48

Mr. Williams writes:

".....Apostasy laws are equivalent with our treason laws. "

Dp you know this for fact or is this just conjecture?

"Apostasy is treason in Islamic countries. "

Again, is this fact, is it ALL Islamic countries?

What then is treason in Islamic countries?

Mr Williams continues

".........Also, the punishments are rarely carried out in the U.S. as well as in Islamic countries."

Researched information on Wikipedia differs from Mr Williams' opinion.

"Sharia Law or Islamic law may require capital punishment, there is great variation within Islamic nations as to actual capital punishment. Apostasy in Islam and stoning to death in Islam are controversial topics. Furthermore, as expressed in the Qur'an, capital punishment is condoned. Although the Qur'an prescribes the death penalty for several hadd (fixed) crimes—including rape—murder is not among them. Instead, murder is treated as a civil crime and is covered by the law of qisas (retaliation), whereby the relatives of the victim decide whether the offender is punished with death by the authorities or made to pay diyah (wergild) as compensation.[54]"

""If anyone kills person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all people. And if anyone saves a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all people" (Qur'an 5:32). "Spreading mischief in the land" can mean many different things, but is generally interpreted to mean those crimes that affect the community as a whole, and destabilize the society. Crimes that have fallen under this description have included: (1) Treason when ones helps an enemy of the Muslim community (2) Apostasy when one leaves the faith (3) Land, sea, or air piracy (4) Rape (5) Adultery (6) Homosexual behavior.[55]"

also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajm

Legal opinion on apostasy :
Christianity: "Since he left the Islam, he will be invited to express his regret. If he does not regret, he will be killed pertaining to rights and obligations of the Islamic law." committee concerning the case of a man who converted to

"In Islamic law (sharia), the consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed, according to Shafi'i, Maliki, and HanbaliSunni Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam as advocated by the Sunni Hanafi school and by Shi'a scholars.[15]

"A minority of medieval Islamic jurists, notably the Hanafi jurist Sarakhsi (d. 1090),[4] Maliki jurist Ibn al-Walid al-Baji (d. 494 AH) and Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328), held that apostasy carries no legal punishment.[5] Some contemporary Islamic Shafi`i jurists, such as the Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa,[6][7] some Shi'a jurists such as Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri,[8] and some jurists, scholars and writers of other Islamic sects, have argued or issued fatwas that either the changing of religion is not punishable or is only punishable under restricted circumstances, but these minority opinions have not found broad acceptance among the majority of Islamic scholars.[16][17][18][19]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

also note with regard to Iran - not only are these laws carried out - but new ones are being implemented.:

"They may face the death penalty if convicted. A new penal code is being proposed in Iran that would require the death penalty in cases of Apostasy on the Internet. [42]"

"..........I see the similarities with Islam and the west because the west took from Islam as much as Islam took from the west. Islam is easy my friend. It may look hard to you but trust me, it is easy. With God's help anything is easy."

We'll leave that for historians to judge. Our respective viewpoints are in total disagreement .

referring to a Muslim practice of stepping into a toilet with the left foot and retreating from same with the right foot - and shaving one's pubic hair , Mr. Williams states:

"There are a lot of Sunnah traditions that your friends were sharing with you. Those are not mandatory. "

Nor are they neccessary. They are just external ritual and have nothing to do with 'God'.

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