Our dear Keith and the words Allah al-makkar and he needs to stick to Urdu

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 25, 2008 at 09:46

Our dear zzazz I mean Keith wrote

>Congratulations on your continued interests in Islam and may God guide you to the right path. I found that the interpretation of Qur'an 3:54 that you quoted in your last comment that "God lies" was incorrect. Here let me help you if I can.

No the word in question is he who decieves or makkar (makr means deceit) but again it means that your Allah is a liar or kadhab and shall we add this little gem to his other 99 names?

>And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned, and God too planned, and the best of planners is God. (Qur'an 3:54)

وَمَڪَرُواْ وَمَڪَرَ ٱللَّهُ‌ۖ وَٱللَّهُ خَيۡرُ ٱلۡمَـٰكِرِينَ

>wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Why do you post a transliteration when you cannot even provide us with tarjamat al-kilma or tarjamat al-ma3na? Why is that? Let me guess: you are ignorant. Well let me help you

1. wa makaruu and there is a space between the wa and the makaruu mr. ignorant or and they decieved (see the root MKR in HW dictionary page 917A and the words makkar means he who is cunning, sly, crafty, imposter, wily, shrewd, swindler. Also see the word makr or sly, cunning, wily and yes HW is a modern Arabic dictionary but the root MKR is a stabe root so congratulations our dear Keith but your Allah is cunning, sly, carfty, imposter, wily and swindler and as if we did not know)

2. wa makara or and deceived (also read as deceive due to grammatical aspect)

3. Allah means Allah or the God (if you believe your Arab masters that the word Allah is a contaction of the word al-ilah or the God)

4. wa allah or and the god (see 4)

5. khayru or the best

6. al-maakiriina or those who decieve

So your Arabian Allah is saying:

And (they) deceived and Allah deceives (read in present tense) and allah is the best of those who deceive.

Oh here is your bonus for today: the rasm of the word AL-MKRIIN was edited by adding the missing vowels as usual but also an alif was added after the letter meem. So much for the poor spelling of your Allah and for the so called the unedited (sic) Qur'an

>The Arabic word makara has both a bad and a good meaning,

Really? the word makara in the aya means decieved mr. ignorant and where would I find in an Arabic language dictionary al-makr al-saleh or al-jayyid and al-makr al-muderr?Let me help you: you will not find it. In Arabic a language that you cannot speak read or write the word makara means deceived that is it and why do you potificate about a language that you cannot read, speak or write? explain it to me?

>that of making an intricate plan

This is makr or deceiving

>of which the unbelievers in this case the Jews were doing against Jesus who were trying to kill him, which was their secret purpose. The enemies of God are constantly doing that.

But Allah can stop them and change their hearts and minds without resorting to lies and deceiving and why would he behave as a makkar unless he is an evil deity? So is your Allah an evil deity? And is taqiyya a form of makr?

>But God - in whose hands is all good -

Really? makr is not a good moer so if the source of such makr is a so called deity

> has His plans also and in this case he raised Jesus and by raising him up to himself that clear Jesus of the falsehoods they were saying against Jesus and clearing him of the falsehoods and blasphemes of the unbelievers and making those who follow Jesus superior to those who reject faith until the day of resurrection against which the evil ones will have no chance whatever against God's plans.

But in the process Allah's poor theology is exposed. Do you know what this means? It means that Jesus did not die and only a god does not die makr or no makr and this would mean: congratulations our dear zzazz I mean Keith but Jesus ir really your Allah

Oh and do you think that because your Allah is makkar which we have established so far then he can die on the cross and because he is makkar he really did not die! What do you think mr. ignorant? And do you think that this is the answer to your silly polemic about God/Jesus and his death? and how do we contact your Allah to tell him that his theology is poor?

>You really have to read the verses before this one and after to get the full meaning and context that I tried to sum up for you in the paragraph above. Here are all the verses together.

Now let me see:

1. Allah says that he is makkar or he who decieves. Right?

2. You said that God cannot die as Christians claim! Right?

3. But your Allah is makkar then he can pretend that he died but he did not really die! Right?

4. Then congratulations our dear Keith but it seems that Jesus could indeed have pretended to die but it was only makr or decieving

So much for the retarded Muslim theology

Oh and the Qur'an says that Jesus must be God.

>Qur'an 3:51-57
"It is God who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight." (51) When Jesus found unbelief on their part, he said: "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the Disciples: "We are God's helpers we believe in God and do thou bear witness that we have surrendered to him. (52) "Our Lord! we believe in what thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger; then write us down among those who bear witness." (53) And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned, and God too planned, and the best of planners is God. (54) Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (55) "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter nor will they have anyone to help. (56) "As to those who believe, and work righteousness God, will pay them (in full) their reward; but God loveth not those who do wrong. (57)

mr. ignorant Q3:54 is an obvious pericope oh you have no clue what is really a pericope do you?

>As you can see. God did not lie.

Oh you mean Jesus?

>He fulfilled his plan to the fullest and foiled the evil plans of the unbelievers.

Bogus. Your Allah behaved as a makkar or he who decieves and he who decieves is a liar as a certian poster who posts under different screen names

Snip nonsense

>The evidence in the scriptures shows that God raised Jesus spirit and then raised his body after.

Then Jesus did not die and only a god does not die therefore congtulations our dear zzazz I mean keith but Jesus is your Allah al-makkar

>They killed him not. The scriptures from the Qur'an are not new. Jesus's disciples said the same thing but most of their writings were destroyed

Really? By whom? oh the Pakistani topos of tahreef as a matter of fact the fact in the Qur'an Jesus does not die it means that he is really a god

I urge you to abandon Islam that brutalized your Hindu ancestors

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