Is it possble to move on when history is the present?

Submitted by Nura (United States), Oct 21, 2008 at 22:30

Your first assumption is the problem Larry. Name one Islamic country that is not secular. Secularism comes in different forms starting with nationalism. China is secular although their form is completely different than ours.

Islamic countries may have some sharia laws that they have kept in order to look Islamic, but who enforces them? If I'm not mistaken, I believe I had this conversation with you before. If Muslim nations were following sharia law, there would be no nations, but a nation.

My argument against Capitalism is based on my secular education. I didn't go to a Madrasa to learn about the evils of Capitalism. There are actually many social theorists who talked about the woes of Capitalism, notably Marx, however, I do not endorse all of his ideas. The interesting aspect that either one is considered a capitalist or socialist. Like most ideologies, both of these theories are extreme in origin and is bound to fail. We have seen great failures of Communisism, Capitalism is next. Are we not already seeing it with the current global crises?

You continue to complain and gripe about dhimmie status, extremists, radicals, and fundamentalists, yet you don't want to hear the alternate perspective? This is what it is all about, alternate perspectives. If you think it is about apologies, then you have no clue to the dynamic of this topic. How can people move on American or Muslim, when the West is at war with the Muslim world? The West is occupying Muslim lands as we speak. I don't often quote Osama, but did he not say that his Jihad was against the West for its occupation and interference in the Muslim world. Interference is one of the basic ingredients to conflict. How can you say just move on when history is the status quo? The British are occupying Iraq as it did in the 40s. Do you think that it is the preference of the Arab people to be invaded? I think that they want to move on more than anybody on this earth because they are feeling the reality. It's their children who are dying! What do we collectively feel other than the billion dollars a week that it costs us in Iraq? Do we even feel that? It is true that soldiers are being lost, but who feels that but their families. Who feels this economic crisis but the victims of it? It is only when WE truly feel the reality of hardship and war that our societies will be ready to move on. We were talking about war with Iran! How is this moving on? The sad truth of Western consciousness, I will include myself because I occasionally forget that innocent people are dying everyday in this war on terror.

The only people that are worthy of blame are those who commit these acts. The people of America are only pawns like the rest of the world. Soldiers don't understand why they are in Iraq! This enslavement of the conscious will become more evident in the future. There are big plans for us and by us I mean those who live in this country. It's coming.

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