Keith Williams: Is Allah a particle?

Submitted by Plato (India), Nov 25, 2008 at 11:37

Keith, you wrote to dhimmi,

>>God is everywhere. He is omnipotent and omniscient, the living, the self-subsisting, eternal http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/09/09/hawking-higgs-particle.html <<

The article in the link says in part: ‘The standard quip about the Higgs is that it is the "God Particle" -- it is everywhere but remains frustratingly elusive.' Does this mean that if they discover the Higgs particle you have discovered Allah, because He is everywhere and is frustratingly elusive?

It might be that when some of these "god particles" spill out of a future collider we might discover that apart from being self-subsisting and eternal they are also omnipotent and omniscient making them microscopic allahs who are the warp and woof of the universe.

>>The Atheist's Riddle
"Show me a language that does not come from a mind."
So simple, any child can understand
So complex, no atheist can solve<<

What is there that does not come from the mind? Even Allah comes from the mind. That is something complex enough to be just out reach of a child's understanding. But atheists have solved the silly riddle of Allah, He is in your mind.

>>Here, the most incredible language, the signature of God, I give you the DNA.

•DNA is an encoding / decoding system
•A DNA molecule symbolically represents something other than itself
•It has an alphabet and syntax, semantics and pragmatics
•Can be copied and even stored in other media with no loss of information<<

This bit of non-Islamic science has taught you that Allah encoded the DNA? How come this knowledge of life itself in not coded in the book that codes for everything?

>>Element common to both watches and life is language<<

Which language do watches speak?? Or am I not getting something here.

>>•The essential distinction between pattern and design is language
•Fundamental Property of all Designs: Idea precedes Implementation
•Idea must be represented by language
•All language comes from a mind
•Therefore God ("Mind") exists<<

All you did was to use your mind to prove mind exists. Obvious to everyone but the simple minded. But why did you turn mind into god? Mind exists in matter unless you can prove that it exists independent of the matter in your brain. Where did matter come from? Back to the ‘god' particle?

>>Let's look at the existence of God.

"Information is information, neither energy nor matter.
Any materialism that fails to take account of this will not survive one day."
–Norbert Weiner, MIT Mathematician and Founder of Cybernetics

Entities: Matter, Energy and Information: Independent from each other<<

You are forgetting the mass-energy equivalence i.e. are interchangeable. Information is patterns in mass or energy. Without them it will not exist. By manipulating matter or energy which contain information, the information itself can be changed. Genetic engineering.

>>We can't create or destroy matter. We can't create or destroy energy. We can't explain either one. It is beyond us. We have theories but the theories are not proven.<<

We can destroy matter to get energy and vice versa. When two electromagnetic waves of the same wavelength but ninety degrees out of phase are combined they cancel each other out. Where did they disappear. Ask a physicist friend. Matter is continuously being formed all around and disappearing.

We can explain many of the properties of matter-energy. We STILL do not know how they arose. Your conclusion that it is beyond us comes from the arrogant belief all believers in monotheistic faiths hold that humans are some kind of robots pre-programmed not to discover much about the secrets of the universe. The fact that the secrets of life have been laid bare by the discovery of DNA seems to escape them.

Now you are using the information content in DNA to suggest that it was put in it by your god. The Allah of the gaps has now discovered temporary shelter between the microscopic strands of DNA. LOL

>>We can't really see energy and we can't really see matter (see the God particle) we only see the effects of them.<<

We can do better than see them. We can manipulate them, transmute them into other bits of matter and change one to the other. Stephen Hawking who you approvingly quote also raises the possibility of humans of the future being able to create other universes. Go figure what that means.

>>If we can't even see that then we the created can't see God who created that then we can't see God either.<<

It is not that we can't see Allah. He chooses not to make Himself visible to us. Remember He showed Himself to Moses and Muhammad took ride to heaven and was in His presence.

>>We can perceive God's will and intelligent design and we can perceive energy and we can perceive matter but can't see the reality of them without God's will. God's will is the only thing that can create and destroy because he is the creator, planner, designer, etc... of everything that we see. We see his will from the information we perceive everywhere we look. We also perceive his will mystically and not just through these physical mediums of matter and energy.<<

Par for the course for monotheistic gobbledygook. All you have said is because the universe exists therefore god exists. Just examine one sentence to see the balderdash it is: ‘We can perceive God's will and intelligent design and we can perceive energy and we can perceive matter but can't see the reality of them without God's will.' An intelligent designer would not give us an appendix, nor would he want us to slice off a bit of ourselves as he felt there was some defect in his design. He would not give us cancer before we lived our full lives.

>>•Information is always distinct from the medium that carries it
•Information can be stored & transmitted by matter (book) or by energy (sound or light) but it is neither matter nor energy.
•Matter and energy all by themselves cannot produce information<<

How do you conclude that Allah produced the information? Sticking with DNA you seem to be saying that Allah put it in there ready-made. The information in DNA does not require Allah's shaky hand. The laws of physics and chemistry give rise to complex chemicals including replicating ones. The adaptation of those replicating chemicals to different or changing environments encodes the information content of DNA.

Now you can legitimately ask me how the laws of physics came into existence. All I can tell you is that they are Allah's last refuge from our prying eyes.

>>I will continue to pray that you are led to the right path.<<

Sorry to inform you, Keith, your prayers are useless and Allah does not accept any intercession except from Muhammad. Not only that in 6:125 He has informed you He chooses to misguide people like dhimmi, Infidel and me.

Regards

Plato

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