....... about Keith

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Nov 23, 2008 at 22:09

Dhimmi - no need to sell me on the deficiencies of Islam. I agree on all 5 in the first list of points you made. However, as you might have ascertained from my posts, I have no problem with the idea of a supreme creative force behind the universe(s). I used to, but it becomes preposterous position to hold. And it has a lot to do with definition. We are already here, every atom and quark, - we are already a part of this infinitely huge time/space continuum. We're not seperate from it.

The other thing to realise is that the 'peace' everyone so easily and glibly conveys to and wishes other people but rarely experiences themselves - is already inside us. In fact EVERYTHING is inside us in one way - everything you're perceiving right now doesn't only exist 'out there' - it's being recreated in your consciousness right now in full living colour. I'm sure you've realised what we see as 'outside' is what actually existed billionths of a second ago.

But that is neither here nor there in relation to Islam - except that Islam doesn't focus on 'self-realisation' (or reconnection) as all other relgions do (or did originally) -

The 'Allah' of the Koran is belongs in the 7th century and has nothing at all to do with a 21st century and beyond cosmoslogy and the understanding of our true potential. Apart from the whole Arabian ethnocentric flavour of what is loosely described as a religion stinks.

The fact that it is so open to interpretation by whatever nut jobs read it and then decide to act is truly fascinating - but fraught with serious repercussions for the 80% of non-Islamists on earth. What is amazing is that even on this board there is disagreement between Muslms on what they actually believe.

This is one particularly scary example given on this board from one Bashir Mehmood , living in the United States) -

"God has given wriiten commands to sunni muslims to eliminate all non muslims.Nobody can change this. It is futile to think that this can be changed."

I questioned this, hoping to find if he just might have been mistaken, but expecting to be not surprised if he was not mistaken. I got no response from him. Our dear Keith stepped in and said it wasn't so. Hopefully that's not another example of 'taqqiya'.

We don't hear such psychopathy from adherents of other religions - so one has to ask why? The answer of course is the tenets of the religion itself - eg. the Koran and Suras - and their interpretation by self appointed 'experts'. And here maybe I can postulate that it may have something to do with people being out in the sun too long - notice that most muslim countries are in areas of high solar insolation levels!

As far as Keith is concerned, I've taken him on face value though having learnt from certain extremely painful examples in my life - that can be a huge mistake to make. Even so, in this context it doesn't really hurt to do so. It would be a shame to think him capable of such blatant deception but worse things have happened.

I had gathered he is an african American guy, works for the US military, has been to Iraq, was a Baptist or something, couldn't find the experience he thought he was seeking, found the rather exotic Muslim environment and fell in. I think he writes English too well to be a Pakistani. BTW, I'm with you - 'Paki' is not terribly offensive - at least in this country. We call British people 'Brits' and 'Poms' too - they don't take offense. Anyway, it's our language and we can do what we want with it - as I'm sure they do their's.

You said " and when reminded that the Qur'an says that Islam is really the religion of the arabs only he will tell us "how come 80% of Muslims are not Arabs" - well that because it's rather obvious to him he is not an Arab and is a Muslim - so he makes that point.

I have no clue about Arabic except that I have always thought it sounded such an ugly language - and is right up there on my list of ugly sounding languages - the top one being a particularly grating monosyllabic south-east Asian language. But that's just a personal observation of course.

So it surprises me to see that Keith has become so anamoured of his new exotic beliefs that he is bothering to learn to read and write Arabic. I guess you could see that as either an example of his sincerity or his ability to be completely roped into something (or both). I guess the unfortunate part about it is when eventually he realises it is just another language of the Semitic group - nothing special or divine about it. Not anywhere near as diverse or well-rounded as English - or as pleasant to listen to as say Estonian with their great vowels or Gaelic with their consonants .

Still, Keith is one of the more lucid Muslims and he has to get some credit for remaining reasonably rational - up to the point where often religious beliefs get in the road. Many others are true frothing at the mouth fruitcakes who would need little incentive to 'crush the skulls' and 'break the bones' of Infidels as the likes of 'Mansoor' so easily wax lyrical about.

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