It is ya and not your bogus yah

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 14, 2010 at 18:04

Our dear Iamjoseph

>The law of precedence applies, else it becomes a lie-by-omission.You must pardon me Jospeh but this is really gobbledygook# Since when is the law of precedence gobbledgook - You tell us readers what does the "law of precedence" have to do with Egyptian Arabic ya ayuha al-fahlawi al-kabeer?# Your Q is surprising.

Hello: what does the so called law of precedence whatever that is have to do with EA (Egyptian Arabic)?

>The issue related to my assertion there is no such thing as Islamic law,

And what does islamic law have to do with EA?

>namely if there is a same law in the Quran and Hebrew bible - the precedence ruled. Yes/no?

What does this have to do with EA? Surpise me for a change

>I suspect the precedence factor is a stumbling block for you. Was Moses Muslim by belief - or Hebrew, the son of Amran and Yochabeth?What does Moses or Amran have to do with Egyptian Arabic? Oh wait spare us this one# It has a lot to do with it. Moses was *NOT* a Muslim by belief or historically, as advocated by Muslims - its about the lie there was no Jewish temple under the Mosque in Jerusalem and Protocolian stuff. Moses had Hebrew parents - and the omission of this is a mark against Muslims, the silence by all Muslims constituting a lie-by-omission, and a failed attempt of Israel's heritage genocide.

As I suspected: More gobbledygook

>There were no 'ARABS' nor Arabic writings in the Pharoahic times.So? And by the way did you ever hear of Herodotus' Arabs? If not then go and read some real history# Heridotus is post 500-BCE.Then we have established that there were really Arabs as far back as 500 BCE right?

Hello: you are a demagogue sorry it is not a Hebrew word

># If I said there were no Arabs pre-500 BCE - what do you think it means!?

But we have established that there were "Arabs" in 900BCE or did you forget?

>At the very least, it lays credibility about the falsehoods spread by Muslims about Moses, Abraham and any means of history recall of those who yet never had writings for a 1000 years.

Bogus as you shall see below

> Muslims have a problem admitting anything about Jewish history - it contradicts the sermons in Islamic Madarassas and schools.

So what is the difference between a madrassa and a midrash? Not very much and you are the evidence

>The first mention of ancient Egyptian culture and history, is mentioned only in the Torah.Really? Did you really study the history of Ancient Egypt? Let me guess: you never did and you only learned by pure fahlawa right? If so then go and read a real book of history# Yes, I have.You did? Mash'allah># I studied ancient history, including the greek writers you mention about Arabs and found Arab history is not so ancient. Instead of congratulating me with uncalled for sarcasm, enlighten with some proof: guess why we have no Arab kings, nations, capitals, wars, names pre-500 BCE!

But I just told you that there were Arabs back in 900BCE and they have their own tribes even back then

>is in the Hebrew bible,What is in the Hebrew Bible? Oh the history of Egypt? Sobhanallah!Yes. I gave many historical examples of ancient Egypt in the Hebrew bible.

Let me repeat it the Hebrew Bible is a book of history? Sobhanallah

>Hello?

Hello: you are not even original

>So how did Egyptians record their history? Let me help you: Epigraphy and monuments and papyri and ostraca oh and "etchings">Yes, recently discovered.

Really? So the history of ancient was just discovered? I thought it is in the Hebrew Bible or did you forget?

> But it still says the Hebrew bible reigns here, and that Arabs could have no input here - they never yet existed. All of archeology of Egypt, till 150 years ago, was derived from the Hebrew bible exclusively.

did you ever hear of Manetho?

>which is also the exclusive source for the life and history of Abraham and Moses.And you tell us what does Moses or Abraham have to do with the fact that Egyptian Arabic is a real lugha? You are not very focused our dear !am# I'm very focused here and I mar what I say in a public forum. There is no egyptian arabic, there is only Hebrew which mentions Abraham. Arabs & Muslims would not know of this fugurehead but for the Hebrew bible. Nothing to do with revelation. It also says, if there was such a thing as Egyptian Arabic - there would NOT be a total vaccuum of any such writings till 400 CE.

More gobbeldygook

>Roecket science!

I will leave this to the readers to judge you

>Not my opinion but a fact. Where are you saying the Arabs got this knowledge from when Islam emerged - from heaven, or from the ground of the Jews which displays volumous books spread every 100 years for a 1000 years before Islam emerged?

And? What is your point? let me guess: You have no clue right?>I have a clue, but my assertion was a blatant one.

It is for sure blatant and funny

>It says Islam got its knowledge of Abraham & Moses from Jews embedded in Arab lands after the babylonian exile, including math, algebra, Moses and Monotheism. Consider what happened to Arabs after the Jews left in '48: name your contributions aside from exploiting oil from the earth? If you check real history, you will see that all f the most prominent positions in Arab-Islamic states were held by Jews, including managing the nation's wealth, medicine, law and admin. The pashas had Jewish doctors & accountants exclusively - the point here being you got more than oil from Jews, and calling Jews as alien to Arabia is one big joke. Guess what the Christians do when you leave the room - they laugh their heads off!

Hello: what does this have to do with EA? Let me guess nothing not a thing.

>>Hello: Every religious nut borrows from some other religious nut# Then you should have no problem admiting the first introduction the universe is finite [It had a 'beginning'/Genesis 1/1], that the only scripture which does not say the world is flat is the Hebrew, or that Jews never 'BORROWED' the history of Abraham from elsewhere. From whom did the Hebrew bible borrow the introduction of the day and week for humanity - not part of your education? Marshallah applies, no?!

What does this have to do with the fact that EA is a lugha and not a lahja? Not a clue right?

>This is also truth of Abraham and his history, as well as any history of ancient Arabia itself. That Allah is great does not also mean a false history view is great.What is false here our dear Joseph? you see slogans do not work here in this blog so do me a favor and stop your rather silly slogans# Its not a slogan but based on facts.What facts? the fact here is that you are not very focused and you do not make any sense and you need to work on your writing skills# Abraham and Moses were introduced to humanity - including to Arabs and Muslims, in the Hebrew bible. Either you acknowledge it or deflect about my writing skills.

Oh no not Abrahim and Mosa again!!

>Be free to post any reference to Abraham from any other sources independent of or predating the Torah?What gave you the impression that I'm interested in Abraham or the Torah?# If you keep reflecting it, if you cannot bring yourself to admit this fact - it means you have a strong interest in denying it.

Denying what? That you are clueless?

>Back to topic, history will show that Jews have never occupied another peoples' land in all their 4000 year history -So? What is your point?# Obviously, the terms ZIONISTS ARE ZIONISING ZION is a false premise.And what does this have to do with the fact that Egyptian Arabic is a lugha?# It does have to do with this discussion. Muslims are claiming Jews are occupying Jerusalem - hello? I say Jordan is occupying Jordan, and Islam/Arabs/Muslims cannot claim they have not invaded and robbed a host of lands belonging to others, from Egypt, Hebron, East Jerusalem to Pakistan. Dumping a mosque on other peoples' lands does not change history.

More gobbledygook

>What fiction? and do you know what the word fiction really means?>Ancient Egypt was not Arab -

Hello: Egyptians are not Arabs and even 92% of todays Egyptians (MUSLIMS and Christians) are of Coptic stock as the importation of Arabs into Egypt was very limited

>And was not Greek either inspite of the fact that the Greeks ruled Egypt for 1000 years# I know - we have evidence of it, even from the Hebrew writings.

Alhamdulilah he knows something so the fact that the Greeks ruled Egypt for almost 1000 years would I find this fact also in the Bible? Oh spare me this one too

>We have no evidence of Arabic or Arabs before 500 BCE.

Wrong. The first attested "Arabs" can be dated to 900BCE! And here is your bogus claim about Arabic; Even if we disregard Pre-Arabic the first attested Arabic can be dated to 300BCE and was found in Qaryat al-Faw and from 200BCE at 3ayn 'avdat we also have epigraphy from al-Hijr in 267 CE and from al-Namura in 328CE and from Harran in 568CE, and Wadi Ramm in 300CE, and Zabad in 512 CE and! Oh reference? Check

"PreIslamic Arabic, Quranic Arabic and Classical Arabic" by Pierre Lacher you will find a translation in Gerd Puin's book "The hidden origins of islam" pages 263-282

Oh and we also know that the Arabs used Syriac to write Arabic texts in what is called Garshouni/Qarshoni Arabic now you either put up or and you must padron me: Shut up

>there are no Egyptian arabic pre-500 BCE -So? And there was no English in North America back then either# So how would Arabs and/or Islam know of Abraham or Moses? Do the math.

What math?

>the reason this fictional language does not have any Egyptian Arabic books - unlike the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Roman, Christian writings. Any clues why this is so?What fictional language? do you hear voices too?# Its a totally logical question. While aramaic and greek existed,

So do you hear voices too?

>Arabic did not exist back then.

Back then when?

>No Gobbledygook: Jews have never stolen anyone's land in all their 4000 year history.So? what is your point?# So the term Jews/Zionsists are illegally *OCCUPYING* another peoples' land is a farce. The point. And we can't say the same for Muslims occupying the lands of the Coptics, Kurds and Indians. My point.

So what do you plan to do about it? Let me guess dehumanize the Arabs? Shame on you

You can dislike islam as I do but do not dehumanize others

> Exactly the reverse applies to IslamSo? we know that!# Who knows that - the Arabs in Gaza or in Kashmir?

And?

>Now I'm going to be blunt again: You need to work on your writing skills and stay focused.# Focused: responding to precise statements precisely. Grammar was introduced in the Hebrew bible. Ask Shakespear and Milton - they use loads of Hebrew expressionisms and syntax derived exclusively from the Hebrew. I'm focused.

Hello: this nonsense is not unlike Muslims when they tell us that the greatest language on earth is Arabic and its grammar!

I really feel sorry for you because i expect more from Jews

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