At last our dear iam is discovering the Periplus but did he read it? that is a different! and he also discovered the Arabs that lived in the Syrian desert and!

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 4, 2010 at 07:12

I wrote

Our dear iamjospeh is realizing that his claims are bogusFor the readers: I will let you judge our dear iam's replyThis is what you wrote our dear iamjoseph wrote. Right ?>The reason we have no Arabic writing pre-400 CEOur dear iamjoseph does not seem to know or care to admit that many Arabs lived in the Syrian desert and Mesopotamia "from time immemorial" and i inlcude here the Lakhmids and the Ghassanids and the likes of the kingdom of the Hira and how come you did not know that our dear iam?

> I have already said, I challenge anyone in this forum to prove what you are dumping here. I respond here to all the names you offered above, from WIKI - a very pro-Arab medium. Your claims are bogus, and refer to new, Christian post period references of recent vintage. Read the dates relating to all the names you put here and see:

Then write a book and prove them wrong is this asking for much ?

>LakhmidsFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Lakhmids (Arabic: اللخميون‎), Banu Lakhm (Arabic: بنو لخم‎), Muntherids (Arabic: المناذرة‎), were a group of Arab Christians who lived in Southern Iraq, and made al-Hirah their capital in 266. Poets described it as a Paradise on earth, an Arab Poet described the city's pleasant climate and beauty "One day in al-Hirah is better than a year of treatment". The al-Hirah ruins are located 3 kilometers south of Kufa, on the west bank of the Euphrates.Al-HirahFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaA Persian manuscript from the 15th century describing the constructing of Al-Khornaq castle In Al-Hira,The Lakhmids capital city, miniature painting by BehzadAl Hīra (Arabic: الحيرة) was an ancient city located south of al-Kufah in south-central Iraq. It was a significant city in pre-Islamic Arab history. Originally a military encampment, in the 5th and 6th centuries CE it became the capital of the Lakhmids.Hīra was either Christian or strongly influenced by Christianity, and was a diocese of the East Syrian Church of the East between the 5th and 11th centuries. The Sassanian Emperor Bahram V won the throne with support of Mundhir, Lakhmid Prince of Hīra, in 420.GhassanidsFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Ghassanids (Arabic: الغساسنة‎) (al-Ghasāsinah, also Banū Ghassān "Sons of Ghassān") were a group of South Arabian Christian tribes that emigrated in the early 3rd century from Yemen to the Hauran in southern Syria, Jordan and the Holy Land where some intermarried^{[dubious – discuss]} with Hellenized Roman settlers and Greek-speaking Early Christian communities. The term Ghassān refers to the kingdom of the Ghassanids.

Strike up the band our dear iam knows how to google and he discovered wikipedia and that there were really Arabs in the Syrian desert called al-lakhmids wa al-ghasaneeds and mamlakit al-hira. Sobhanallah and go and tell them at Hebrew University that the inscriptions at Qaryat al-Faw (BCE) and 3ayn Abdot (88-150CE) and al-Hijr (267CE) are all fakes they will laugh at you

>The Namara inscription was carved on a large block of basalt which had
originally ... 7 Kaslul (December) of the year 223 in the Nabataean era of
Bostra (=328 C.E.).The first inscription in a language that may be recognized as Arabic is the
inscription from al-Namara in Syria (328 c.e.)[http://www.archive.org/stream/NewEncyclopediaOfIslam/encyclopedia_of_islam_djvu.txt]

Wrong it is not the first inscription in Arabic and for this see Pierre Lachere's "Pre-Islamic Arabic" the first dated one is from Qaryat al-Faw and go ask them at Hebrew University

Then I wrote

Well let us check the first line iin epigraphy that was found in Namara and in Arabic and it is dated 328CE right?

># The Namara relic proves my case, not yours. This is the first sign of what later became Arabic. It is described as a set of words in one sentence - that is not 'writings'!

Hello: did you read it? How could you judge a text that you cannot read in its primary language ?

>It is dated around 328 CE - close to what I said was the first Arabic writings.

For the readers: the namara epigraphy is dated 328CE and it is the tomb of an Arab king

># No Arab king at this date. Read the links provided.

he is described as MALIK AL-3Arab

How dare you tell us what a text says and in this case a text that you cannot even read in its primary language?

Then I wrote

(something that our dear iam told us that there were no Arab kings) and it is written in Arabic with one Syriac word and notice that our dear iam the demagogue told us that there were really no Arabs before 400CE and when he was reminded of Herodotus and Periplus Arabs (he had no clue that is really the periplus) he told us that he meant that there were no Arabs before 500BCE and that there was no Arabic language texts before 400CE!

># I have already responded to your Herodotus claim adequately. Re: Periplus Arabs, the author is unknown [not Arab]

Careless reader: where did I say that the author of the Periplus was an Arab?what a careless reader

> and the date disputed -

Right and this is what history is all about GREY! except in the minds of people like you

>even then it does not relate to anything claimed by you :

So what did i claim that? Enlighten ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer! And did you read the Periplus? Let me guess you did not

>Periplus of the Erythraean SeaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Periplus of the Erythraean Sea (Greek: Περίπλους τὴς Ἐρυθράς Θαλάσσης, Latin: Periplus Maris Erythraei) is a Greek periplus, describing navigation and trading opportunities from Roman Egyptian ports like Berenice along the coast of the Red Sea, and others along Northeast Africa and India. The text has been ascribed to different dates between the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, but a mid-1st century date is now the most commonly accepted. Although the author is unknown.

Sohanallah he discovered the periplus so did you also read about the Arabs in the Periplus? Oh you can google it or check wikipedia! Oh let me guess you did but you are not man enough to admit that the authors of the Periplus tell us much about the Arabs of their time

# Do you see - the above is a Greek writings, not refering to Arabs and is of recent vintage anyway. There were no Arabs in Arabia before the Greeks invaded around 300 BCE.

Did you read the Periplus? Let me guess you did not right?

And then I wrote

Now you either put up or you must pardon me shut up# I did put up. You must put up. Please put up any Arabic books pre-400 CE or any Arab king pre-500 BCE. Easy for those claiming TIME IMMOMORIAL - an Arafat term no less!No this comes from a poor book by an ignorant woman whose name is Joan Peters!!And let me repeat: you either put up or shut up

># I did put up. Joan Peters is not an ignorant woman - unlike you, she gives factual, historical refers for all her assertions. In contrast, the ignorant Arabs call the Jerusalem Temple a myth and that Jews are aliens. I have posted numerous links, and they are not limited to Joan Peters.

Joan Peters' book is no more than poor quality hasbara and it is an insult for anyone who cares about israel

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