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Our dear iam and more comedyReader comment on item: "An Arabist's Guide to Egyptian Colloquial" Now Online Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 1, 2010 at 06:56 Our dear iam the more I read your post the more I have, and you must pardon me, less respect for you Now for the readers: Notice that this thread is about EA (Egyptian Arabic) and the fact that EA is really a language not unlike Latin and Italian And this is what I wrote >English is my first language.No it is not and there is nothing wrong with that but you need to work on your ideas, your syntax and your poor logic . And you are not very focused> That most of the world says Arab and Arabian are the same does not mean this is also historically true. The Greek invaders dumped the term ARAB on gangs who started to dominate other Arabian peoples in this region by sword, conquering and stealing their lands, and forced conversion, and that is how this name stuck.The Greeks used the generic term Arabian and called everyone in Arabia as Arab. We know that Jews & Coptics predate the Arabs and are 100% Arabian peoples - but Jews and coptics can be Arabian but not Arab. Egypt was not Arab, though the Arabs rule this country by robbery and persecuting the original Coptics here.This is why no one can produce any ARABS pre-500 BCE. They corrupt words like Aramean, arvi and Arabian - but there are no imprints of Arabs, Arabic kings, cities, nations, monuments of Arabs pre-500 BCE. We find only corrupted translations of calling other Arabian peoples as ARAB. Of course, we find transit imprints of Jews, Greeks, Kurds, Coptics and pre-Islamic Druze well before 500 BCE dating back 3000 years, with transit historical imprints - but nothing of the ARABS: guess why! This is true despite that the Jews were in constant dispersal while the Arabs were not despersed.>Now you tell me what does this have to do with: "what does the word Arab mean and what does the word Arabian mean" and this is a question of language the English language that is. So how can you prove me wrong? Hint: Dictionary!! Is this asking for much? And this is our dear iam's answer ># Everything there relates to the Arab race being post-500 BCE, Our dear iam told us many posts ago that there were no Arabs before 400CE then when he was told about Herodotus and the Periplus Arabs he changed it to 500BCE! What a hypocrite! Then when he was reminded that the Arabs are mentioned in literary sources that can be dated to 900BCE he told us that this is really conspiracy and when told to write a book and refute such claim I never got an answer. Then he told us that the 400CE date is really about the Arabic language. And when he was reminded that texts do not have to be written and they can be transmitted oraly and that there is evidence in the Quranic text that some of the material can be hundreds of years before the time of Muhammad and that the Arabs used Garshouni (they wrote texts using Syriac) and more damaging to his case are the inscriptions that we have in Arabic from Qarayat al-Faw dated BCE and from 'En 'Avadat in Israel dated from 85CE to 150CE his answer was it is all made up! What a hypocrite >and Arabic writings emerging around 400 CE. Read again. But you also told us it is 300CE or did you forget? What a hypocrite >That was the premise of the debate. No this is not a debate this is "I dhimmi no more telling you so" ... and it is about EA or did you forget? >You are also again wrong in assuming English is not my first language. There is nothing wrong with my comprehension, and grammar is subject to some abbreviation and liberty in PC debate texts. I will leave this remark to the readers to judge you You have shown no counter proof of your denials of Arab and Arabic datings, So why don't you "show" it? ... >and the examples you provided are either incorrect or they prove only against your premise. Then go and tell them at Hebrew University that you would like to write a book to prove your gobbledygook and cockamamie little theories? I can assure you that they will laugh at you as you are a joke > There is also no acceptable reason for the lack of Arab evidence as with the Hebrew - the former was never subjected to exiles and dispersal and the later was. There should be 1000's of irrefutable proof of Arabs and Islam - there is 'NOTHING' whatsoever - why so? Mr ignorant did you ever hear of the "the argumant from silence"? You are and you must padon me ignorant. Where did you get your education? It cannot be in the West!! >The facts say that far from being an ancient race, the Arab and Islamic sector has a history of invading other peoples' ancient lands, enforcing conversions and negation of those peoples' history and rights: when Islam invaded India, it massacred over 50 Million innocent Indians, No it was 80-90M but what does this have to do with EA? >forced conversion by the sword, made women as concubines, purposefully dumped mosques on the most sacred sites of that county, and stole a third of India's land. The same is now seen across Arabia, and highlighted with the Jews and their rights - now corrupted by the use of terms such as Zionists and Muslim Pretend Palestineans. More slogans! Oh spare me this! >I also say that the antisemitism of the Islamic sector is not from the Quran - this predated the Quran and was inserted into the Quran by the pre-Islamic Arabs who had a big hatred of Jews, and exploied this as REVELATION. gobbledygook >It is a fact that the Jews have never stolen or occupied another peoples' land in all their 4000 year history, displaying the reverse of Islamists. Of note is we see no mention of the rights of the Jews, which is their homeland and what is their history in Arabia. Hello: every nation steals from others! Welcome to reality >MOSES WAS THE FIRST ZIONIST. Oh not Musa again ... Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. 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