come brother. let us become purposive in our debate.

Submitted by Ahmed (United Arab Emirates), Aug 17, 2009 at 00:52

Dear Brother VJ,

It is good to know that u have taken the time and effort to reply back. At least a slight burden is off my back that the message was conveyed and it each one is the belief that the person beholds for themselves and no soul is accountable for the deeds of others. At least I do appreciate the fact that you realize the importance when you stated what Jesus said looking upon a women, a person has committed adultery and this holds equal importance for all the men on earth. But do you know that Satan is the greatest enemy of men and man is subjected to temptations and do you know what God states in the Koran. Let me clear the air on what I know. God States: Verily man has been created weak with lusts and desires of the temptations of the world. You and I both know Satan is an open enemy of man having challenged never to bow himself to man coz he (satan) is made of fire and verily man is made sand and water. At least that is what I know having vastly checked out on the internet the vast composition is normally of both water and clay and both the elements are equally good in dousing out a fire (no matter big or small). Take it easy. Just rational thinking how well the reality matches when compared with the testimony of God about favoring man above Satan and Satan's refusal to bow before man on the orders of God. Now let me clear to you first and foremost what I appreciate about you. Having claimed the orders of Jesus were for all men then I subject myself to the belief that even women are a part of the world. Hence, the moment I see them like all men (as natural) sometimes I control my eye power to see them weather lively or in ads, pictures etc. and avert useless fancies leading to desires and lusts and and sometimes I do see, but regret seeing and keep asking for Gods forgiveness as I am a weak person (and I believe human nature to a certain extent is responsible and that can only be corrected by constantly sticking to the right path), I personally belief women too are then equally to blame if they expose themselves. Hence the issue of Purdah(Veil) in Islam is mandatory to save both the sexes from the path of Satan and I do compel to feel that you too must be agreeing on whole on the issue of Purdah, becoz you stated what is important for all men irrespective, of religion must also be irrespective of gender as it safeguards both sexes from wrong acts. Am I right or am I wrong brother VJ? I am sure you must be agreeing on the issue of Purdah and maybe you should stand to support what is correct. Be logical. I have given you an entire explanation. But dear in your reply do not try to tell me what Muslims do in Kuwait or not? I am not interested in people's behavior to judge the religion of Islam. I too am not a perfect person but just keep hoping of God's mercy.

Now , coming further to your point, I have only used the above debate to explain that there are black sheep in all the communities. Maybe, many in your community or maybe many in mine. Maybe we are one of them. How do we judge? As I said, again We conclude only God Judges intentions and we ourselves, are no one to judge. Right. So, let me tell you when I replied it was REPLY TO Brother Warren when he used the entire article to pursue and tell Muslims claiming Islam is on the downpour, shrinking, etc. Again then, I used only the argument to convince the same as you are using. But that does not mean I have said that it was only for Christians. But it was pointed to Warren to make sure he finds the right facts and ex Muslims or Muslims by name (Maybe myself! Who Knows! Only God is the real Judge and that too after I die I will know in the Hereafter) is the not right way of making a judgment, criteria.

Regarding you point, Judgments versus laws, one should realize judgments should be based on laws and not contradict with laws. If intentions were solely responsible let me ask you a simple question like a thriller chill taken from a Hindi movie? A person say (A)is loved by 2 women B and C. A is a very good guy who can give a happy family life to the person whomsoever, he marries with. C kills B to attain A's love. Should the judge take into account the law upholding and punish C. Or should he take into account the intentions of person B and release her claiming her intetntion was to get married to a person A who can give a good family life? Then who will give justice to person C? This is taken from your point quoted earlier " Even a Judgement by Sharia Law Judgement the test as far as judgement of man is concerned, because ONLY GOD KNOWS THE INTENTIONS OF MAN and NOT LAWS. Sharia laws is the upper hand of All Mullahs and High Ranking Muslim People this is evident in ALL GULF COUNTRIES, specially in SAudi Arabia . Yes, we also believe Jesus will come back like you too do and do you know what Jesus prophesized the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). And, yes he will come and don't worry man. We also believe he will be buried next to Prohet Muhammad (pbuh) after leading the world for some years before Judgment Day. And hey brother, we love Jesus like you do or else we cannot be called as true Muslims. And if you do really like him so let's start loving each other as real good humans and try to find out what really is common and coexists between all the abrahimic religions.

P.S: Let me also clear one last point. When Brother Warren says Islam is on the downpour, shrinking etc. then let me tell you clearly what I feel. Yes downpour on so many people who are very confused what comes after life and Islam clears that shaded part by descriptions in the Koran and hence come into the fold of Islam. Be free minded. Read it with an open heart. Try to understand. Tell what you like about it. Of course, what you don't like the misconception can be cleared. But as you said intentions need to be true and only God knows that. All religions have good points. Let us work on those common good points. Can we humans not help one another? All religions have plus and non agreeable points (note I have not said bad but rather non agreeable coz we do not intend to promote hatred amongst each other). C'mon global citizen get those points which can connect us all humans together. On the non agreeable we can sort it out later. Time is running fast. Let our debate become purposive as I also said Islam is shrinking and by shrinking I mean the real true, true followers who follow Islam in toto will be far fewer albeit more and more will follow and it will expand because as I earlier said for every person their own belief will matter and what comes after life is too scary and that makes it imperative enough for us to find out and know about more. How people implement religion in daily affairs, chores of life (corruption, robbery etc)is not my matter of concern as God knows intentions becoz every now and then there were and there will be people adding and subtracting whatever they like in the religion at their own personal cost but at the most I can only try to convince the right facts using logic.

Regarding false prohets, we can find out more later but let us find out who is the good person he gave tidings about Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and that can only be gained doing good research and insight and not just posting comments based on personal beliefs, whims and fancies.

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