response to Sohail

Submitted by Susan (Canada), Mar 4, 2007 at 23:03

Well Muhammad thought that bibical law was right.

Response from Susan: If he was prophet he should know better. Prophet can not make mistakes

Response: I have read the verse and cited it to you so why are you citing it back. It is the verse that is used in the manner I have mentioned even today. This is the human nature!.

Yeah, by the wahhabis but not by me.

Response from Susan: It is used like that based on Koran and Hadiths; they must have taken it from somewhere.

Response: Why was he a bad prophet if he commanded Jews to restrain themselves and wait a month plus he made extra rules? I thought that you liked Moses. It is much better than in muslim tradition where women of dead enemy soldiers were raped instantly without wait, without marriage, isn't it?

There is no Islamic law which says you could rape women. Moses order death off innocent women and children.

Response from Susan: Of course there is no law that says that. Since all women taken into slavery are automatically divorced they can become concubines instantly. Whatever your right hand possesses can be applied. To me it is still rape. I always love when somebody says that Islam does not punish anybody unjustly. The problem is not with the sentences that describe the law but with the fact that the terms have different meaning from what we understand them to be.

Why didn't you show the full verse:

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). 4:34

Response: I do not see any difference in showing part of the verse or the whole. It is still wrong to humiliate somebody and the whole verse in its fullness shows that man is supposed to have the top. Koran says that men are stronger so therefore have right to rule over women. So just because Hitler was stronger than other nations it gave him moral justification to rule over the other nations around? Bad logic!
The verse also says that men support women from their means. As if the women were there doing nothing to deserve their existence - something like a child or a pet? Did you ever think that maybe men "have their means" because the women do what they do?" If I take care of my husband's children (or our mutual children) and cook, clean .... of course I can not go to work and bring money, but my work is equal to my husband's and I do not consider myself being supported from his means. He does everything he can and I do everything I can and we both contribute to our family and share equally. (In many marriages today women support their husbands if they are able to earn more money)
I do not deny that there are verses in the Koran that command men to treat woman nicely, but the above verse together with other verses and also Hadits sets a very different relationship and undertone towards woman in Koran than the Bible does.

God Bless you
Susan

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