You seem to have misunderstood the Verse

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Dec 16, 2006 at 00:16

Of course I am sure. What Jews believe that the Messiah will be God's own son? I am not ignoring what the Gospels says I am this using the Old Testament to prove that God is one and not three.

The Old Testament alludes to God being a trinity while the New Testament explains it.

Verses against the trinity:

13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; and Him shalt thou serve, and by His name shalt thou swear. Deut 6:13

I have no idea how you say this is a contradiction. If we all agree that YHWH is God (YHWH/Elohim which is plural) then how is there a contradiction?

10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me there was no God formed, neither shall any be after Me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour. 12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have announced, and there was no strange god among you; therefore ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and I am God. Isaiah 43:10:12

Again, I fail to see how this contradicts a Trinity. YHWH is the only God. The Trinity is not 1+1+1=3, it is 1x1x1= 1. 1 God.

Let me ask you a Question:

Who do you think the Angel of Lord is?

Why I don't believe in the trinity is because if God wanted to tell us that he is three in one he would have just said clearly in the Old Testament but he didn't meaning that he is just one and not three.

I said that it was the preincarnate Son. God alluded to the matter many times in the Old Testament and did not explain until His Son had arrived.

So that is your interpretation to Isaiah 48. Well here is my interpretation to Isaiah 48:

12 "Listen to me, O Jacob,
Israel, whom I have called:
I am he;
I am the first and I am the last.

13 My own hand laid the foundations of the earth,
and my right hand spread out the heavens;
when I summon them,
they all stand up together.

14 "Come together, all of you, and listen:
Which of the idols has foretold these things?
The LORD's chosen ally
will carry out his purpose against Babylon;
his arm will be against the Babylonians.

15 I, even I, have spoken;
yes, I have called him.
I will bring him,
and he will succeed in his mission.

16 "Come near me and listen to this:
"From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret;
at the time it happens, I am there."
And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me,
with his Spirit.

In Isaiah 48:14 you can see that God will be sending somebody to free Israel from Babylon. Then in verse 15 it says this person will succeed in freeing the Israelis from the Babylonians. Now here are some Questions for you:

Did Jesus free Israel from the Babylonians? Will he ever do that?

Once again you have misunderstood me. Jesus is SAYING THAT HE WILL SEND SOMEONE TO FREE THE ISRAELITES. Since the speaker is Jesus, Jesus is not referring to himself!!! Again, the Son is speaking, not the Father!

Now let's move on to verse 16 in which Isaiah is telling the Israelis that the Lord has sent him to free them from the Babylonians and then God tells the Israelis in the rest of the chapter, if they hadn't disobeyed him It would have never had happen.

So once again you have tooking this chapter out of its context.

Verse 16 says that YHWH is sent by YHWH in addition to the Holy Spirit.

Your arguments are all the same. You assume that YHWH only applies to the Father. Wrong, it applies to the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. All are YHWH. So if I say that I worship YHWH and no one else, that doesn't mean I worship only the Father (which is what you say). It means I worship the Son, Father, and the Holy Spirit and no one else.

May God Bless You All

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