Response to "No Debates with Hypocrites"

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Oct 11, 2006 at 23:34

Why are your verses always taken out of context and mine are not? I pulled those verses to only make a point to you that each verse can be taken out of context to mean something else if it is not connected to the certain point in time that it was revealed. I stated the Love of Allah verse and you still have not responded to it. (2:62).

In fact, I did respond to it, but I asked for a verse. Okay, you are implying that THAT is the greatest love. There is no direct statement whatsoever in that verse that Allah actually says, this is the greatest love. This is by your interpretation. The word 'love' is not even used.

" Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (2:62)"

I agree, a verse taken out of context can hinder an argument. However, you have yet to explain to those violent verses and verses concerning polygamy. You do not explain how they are out of context but instead just state that they are out of context. Explain please.

Although, your tribal God states that he is love, he only accepts Christians in heaven. Allah is love and he accepts anyone who believes in God, the last day, and works righteousness. If Muhammad wanted just women then there was no need to place any limits on the number of women to marry. Before Islam in Arabia, a man could marry as many women as he wanted with no limit. Please study some history before you make foolish statements.

First, you must understand the concept of Christianity. Humanity has chosen itself to fall away from God, God cannot allow sin into Heaven. He chose to go to earth, and directly communicate with humanity. Humanity in turn, killed the Author of Life. But he rose from the dead to save us our sins. It is a simple choice, choose Jesus Christ, who is God, who will give you the free gift of Heaven.

So you can look at it and say, "Wow, the Christian God is unfair for letting only Christians go into Heaven."

But now, I ask you, are you guaranteed salvation? Islam says you must do to attain salvation, Christianity says, done.

Concerning your statement about polygamy, Muhammed put a limit of four. The problem is still there, though less occurent but it is still there. I say that you can only commit adultery three times rather than unlimited times. How is that Muhammed managed to bypass his own commands? If Muslims are to immitate Muhammed and yet follow his commands, there is a fallacy!

If Muhammad was self serving then the holy Quran would be mostly about him and his name would be throughout it, but his name is mentioned only about five times.

No, no, that is not what I am trying to say. I am saying that the teachings of Islam mostly benefited himself, did it not? He broke his own laws with these 'revelations'. He married his own divorced stepsons wife. He married a NINE YEAR child. He violated his own rule of having only four wives. This sounds too much like the 'Christian Church' you're talking about that violates its own commands so it can benefit from others.

His ways were nothing like the ways of the former Prophets. They did not break their own laws, they abided by them. If Muhammed is greater than Jesus then why is Jesus sinless and Muhammed is not?

Muhammad is the return of Christ. The Jesus Christ in the Bible was the word and Muhammad was the word made flesh. Stop being hypocritical in your post. If your verses can be taken out of context so can mine. I know the Bible very well and I also know why the Jews purposely changed it. They made fun of all of the Prophets and the Gentiles. They created their own religion so they could get the Gentiles to worship them instead of the true God. That's why Jesus called them the children of Satan. So they crucified him, meaning they changed his doctine from it's purity to something else. The Bible talks about this, but you have to understand the symbols to get the hidden message. This is the end of my post to you.

You need to give explanations how the verses were taken out of context. You say that you can easily crush Christianity, now please give evidence. There is a huge fallacy in the second sentence.

You are saying that Jesus is the word in the Bible (this is assuming you are saying the Gospel of John is divinely inspired), then read further than the first verse. " 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,^[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14.

Surely this can't be Muhammed, since Muhammed's time was much later than John's Gospel.

The point is that there are much more immoral things in the Bible than in the holy Quran and they are not taken out of context

You say there are immoral things in the Bible. I agree. But there are not immoral teachings. For example, there is adultery in the Bible. However, the Bible commands that there be no adultery.

They made fun of all of the Prophets and the Gentiles. They created their own religion so they could get the Gentiles to worship them instead of the true God.

True, the Jews persecuted the Prophets.

That's why Jesus called them the children of Satan.

Actually, it's because he called them slaves to sin.

So they crucified him, meaning they changed his doctine from it's purity to something else. The Bible talks about this, but you have to understand the symbols to get the hidden message.

Please, do not be so vague. Explain them rather than leave them hidden in darkness. If there is a hidden message, explain it. They crucified him because he called himself the Son of God. I showed you verses where Jesus, disciples, demons, Jews, and God the Father Himself said that Jesus was the Son of God. Please respond to that rather ignoring it.

If Jesus wasn't crucified then he simply lied by saying that he was going to die. The Prophets simply lied when they said Jesus was to be "pierced, led to a slaughter, etc". And then the disciples simply lied when they said he rose from the dead. They were so stubborn in this lie that ten out of the eleven disciples decided to die rather than admit and live that what they were preaching was a lie. Lastly, I have to give you my own testimony. I am a Christian, though I am still leraning to walk as Christ did (1 John 2:6). But I know that I have a personal relationship with God that Jesus promised.

So if you will not examine the teachings of our religions, then let's observe the external evidence for the divinity of the Bible and Qu'ran.

My question is, how can you think that the Bible is corrupt? Just because it does not agree with the Qu'ran?

We accept that Jesus was divine? Or at least a Prophet right? Well, he approved the divinity of the OT by quoting it constantly. If the OT was really so corrupt, why would Jesus bother quoting it again and again?

The Dead Sea Scrolls prove the reliabilty of the OT. They matched with the other copies of the OT.

The OT has great historical evidence and prophetic evidence for it's reliability. The Old Testament would not allow the disciples of Jesus to tamper with their sacred texts. So the disciples could have inserted prophecies into the Old Testament.

The NT has had the most manuscripts in the shortest amount of time. If you want proof, check out the NT and other early historical documents. If there was corruption along the way, then wouldn't manuscript A differ with manuscript B? Now there are around 24,000 manuscripts I believe. And experts say that 99.5% of the 24,000 manuscripts are the same! The .5% is due to different spellings or slight re-wordings. So the abundance and unity of the Bible manuscripts disproves corruption.

My next question is, how is Muhammed a Prophet of God? He is VERY different from the others.

1. Muhammed doesn't use God's name at all. Allah in Arabic is the equivalent to Elohim (used 2,550 times in the Bible) in Hebrew (God). However, Muhammed NEVER once uses God's actual name Yahweh (which is used 6,823 times in the Bible). How is it that the Seal of Prophets, does not even know God's real name?

2. Muhammed's 'prophecies' were about 50/50 chance battles in Arabia. The Qu'ran mentions how he refuses to do miracles.

3. His teachings conflict with those of the other Prophets. His stories of many Bible stories are distorted.

4. Muhammed uses God to justify his immoral behaviors. He keeps getting 'revelations' that allow him to do what is against the former teachings of the Prophets.

Let's deal with reason here. Why would God give prophecies to so many prophets before Muhammed (prophets who proved themselves to be prophets of God through miracles and immediate prophecies) about the Christ, Son of God, Messiah, etc who was to die, be pierced for our transgressions, be rejected, etc, and then suddenly change his mind? Muhammed comes in says, "Whoa, that's not how the story goes, everyone is wrong except me."

Judaism does not agree with Christianity about Jesus, yet even their Old Testament is the same as the one in the Bible. The same prophecies about Jesus. So Christianity couldn't have tampered with the OT because the Jewish have the same one (and they weren't believers in Christ).

Now, if you find me being hypocritical, forgive me. However, I don't see how so, I say things that I find troubling that are in the Qu'ran, you dismiss them by saying that I put them out of context. I bring them up again because you do not explain how I took them out of context, instead of answering the question, you take Bible verses out of context and say that you're doing the same as I am. However, I am explaining how you're taking the Bible verses out of context, you are not. Please be fair, and do your part of the explanations.

If I was being hypocritical then I would refuse to answer your questions, however I give explanations so that there will be no confusions.

You will find that we not much different. Both of our greatest hopes is this, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and that we will see God in Heaven one day and live with Him forever.

May the Lord Jesus Christ Bless You All

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