Response to Altamash (continued)

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Sep 26, 2006 at 18:44

the holy Ka'ba built by the prophet Abraham (PBUH) and his son Ishmael (PBUH) is in Mecca.

I don't recall Abraham being a prophet, where are his visions? To whom did he prophesy to?

The name Mecca (Makkah) is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an in 48:24. Another name for Mecca is Bakka, depending on the dialect of the tribe: this is also mentioned once, in Sura 3:96

"Verily, the first house (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing, and guidance for all people." Amazingly enough, this word Bakka is mentioned by the prophet David (PBUH) in the Bible:

"Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well, the rain also filleth the pools." (Psalm 84:6)

Wow, thanks, you have just added to the Bible's archaeological evidence.

The well here is the well known well of Zam-Zam, still present now, close to the Ka'bah; after thousands of years.

what duubt will you add in my mind . if God dont want your false claim to hurt me . Let me add more doubt to your mind.and that s truth. in your bible so called book of God use bad word like bastard . This word occurs in the Bible THREE times (a) "The BASTARD shall not enter the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation . . . DEUTERONOMY 23:2 (b) "And a BASTARD shall dwell in Ashdod . .ZECHARIAH 9:6 (c) "But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are BASTARDS and not sons. " HERREWS 12:8

Now you're abusing translations. That's what it says TRANSLATED FROM HEBREW IN ENGLISH. The Bible was in Hebrew/Greek at first remember? So it was a different word.

you ll hardly find a christian circumcised if you are a man, i m asking you, are you circumcised? but v muslims are all circumcised.

My friend, this is exactly why you need to work on reading comprehension.

Romans 2:25-29, 25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26If those who are not circumcised keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God."

Galatians 6:12-16, 12Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13Not even those who are circumcised obey the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your flesh. 14May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which^[a] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation. 16Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God."

Philippians 3:2-3 "2Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh. 3For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—"

Circumcision of the flesh is merely a symbol of the circumcision of the spirit. The circumcision of the flesh means nothing without the circumcision of the spirit.

In the Christian Bible. (a) the burden upon Arabia" ISAIAH 21:13. "Burden" = responsibility. God has imposed upon the Muslims, the duty to deliver His Message to mankind. ISAIAH mentions this after having seen the vision of a chariot of asses and a chariot of camels (ISAIAH 21:7) The chariot of asses turned out to be Jesus (PBUH) who entered Jerusalem riding on two donkeys (Matthew 21:7) Who then was of the "Chariot of Camels"?

Errr... I don't see where you get that from. I see, "You caravans of Dedanites, who camp in the thickets of Arabia." In fact, I don't see the word burden or imposed anywhere.

bible is a book with cases such as incest rape bad words contidiction and many thing more

Again, the Bible shows how wrong it really is. If you have a book that fails to address rape and incest then what kind of law/teaching is this? Are you going to pretend like it doesn't exist?

any physicist tells us that what ever you read has an edict on your mind which comes out in a form of act

So the Bible talks against it, no wonder why Christians don't like sin.

you read junky bible you think junky and you behave junky and u think the pure char. of prophet muhammed(s a w) in the light of your junky mind.

Again, he allowed rape for slaves/prisoners. He preached to spread the sword. He was one man, whos visions ONLY HE saw. There is no evidence whatsoever on his teachings.

but still God forgive those who ask forgivness and i ask u to read shahada and startt the journey of paradise. one statement of yours make me think something"If I study islam anymore I might accidentally perform the Shahada." this shows that you know in your heart that Qur an is a revelation of God almighty and islam is the chosen religion of God .you know this truth in your heart

Again, this is just like every single other world religion. "The path to happiness is decided by human effort." Wrong, Islam says, do. Christianity says, done.

but you are pressuring your mind to believe it wrong but you r afraid that one day truth will burst out.

You lack evidence for the divinity for the Qu'ran and you misinterpret AND twist the meaning of the Bible.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued."CIRCUMCISION: A perpetual pact with God— (a) "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money (your slaves), MUST needs be circumcised and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an EVERLASTING covenant. " GENESIS 17:13 (b) The uncircumcised to be "CUT OFF" (to be killed).GENESIS 17:14

Cut off means to be exiled doesn't it. In this case, Abraham is offering the chance of knowing God and being circumcised, those who refuse know they are refusing God. It is a symbol of the true circumcision.

yeah it says to fight and you know i m right now, fighting with you for truth. this is what it means

Actually, I couldn't disagree more. You see, your misrepresenting facts and teachings of the Bible shows how little understanding of Christianity.

Isaiah 6:9-10, He said, "Go and tell this people:
" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'

10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes. ^[a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."

Your tactic is no different from a casual skeptist. Please, state your arguments and support them logically. I see that all of the Muslims have the EXACT same arguments.

...May God Bless You All

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