Sohail

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Dec 17, 2006 at 17:56

This was difficult for me to read so if I misrepresent what you wrote forgive me.

Then why don't Orthodox Jews believe that?

Because the Orthodox Jews did not like Jesus. God said that only the remnant of Israel will be saved. The remnant are what we now and will call Christians.

Look at the verse: 13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; and Him shalt thou serve, and by His name shalt thou swear.

Ok. I fear YHWH. YHWH is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Therefore I serve the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's not as if this is the Father saying that we should fear only the Father. No, YHWH says for us to fear him which is the trinity.

Deut 6:13 It clearly says that you can only swear in his name but as we know Christians swear in Jesus and the Holy Spirit name.

When does a Christian swear by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Alright, I'll admit, some people swear by saying Jesus will that has a totally different meaning (aka saying the name in vain). Jesus told us that there is no need in swearing because we should be completely honest and trustful anyways. Jesus commanded us to baptize by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

God. In the Quran it says the following: 006.112 YUSUFALI: Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone. 010.087 YUSUFALI: We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message: "Provide dwellings for your people in Egypt, make your dwellings into places of worship, and establish regular prayers: and give glad tidings to those who believe!"

As you can see Allah says WE but does that mean they are more than one God? Of course not, it means the following: It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur'an, where Allah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. "Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that."

Or we can say that it was derived from the Hebrews. Muhammad was very likely influenced by the Christians and the Jews. But you are still being ignorant. Christianity does not preach three gods, it preaches one God. To say that the Trinity has three gods is contradicting the definition of Trinity!!!

These words, innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say "We have decided…" etc. [This is known in English as "The Royal We" – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur'an innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as "Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur'an)" [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): "And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful" [al-Baqarah 2:163] and "Say: He is Allah, the One" [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honor that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels."

Sadly, I do not see something like this in the Hebrew Bible. At least not without an introduction.

So here are some crimes Jesus committed before he came to earth: 35 That night the angel of the LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. (2 Kings 19:35) 23 My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23)

Crimes? What on earth? Islam tells us to strike down the unbelievers. These ‘crimes' are things that YHWH said he would do. It's not as if it was unjust. God gave the people 400 years to repent. How is it a crime to do justice? These are specific judgements. Yet Islam tells us to use force to fight everyone who does not believe.

So you did he send? Was it the Holy Spirit?

Why, it was none other than the Persians. Isaiah prophecies of a Persian king known by the name of Cyrus (who will come in 130 years if I recall correctly) who will send the Israelites to rebuild their temple.

May God Bless You All

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