Response to University Student 3

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Sep 26, 2006 at 18:07

"yes its also too bad the prophets foretold the coming of Muhammad (pbuh)"

Give me the verses.

"Moses said a prophet will come from your brothers. Ishmael was the brother of Jacob if i am correct. and also the forefather of Muhammad(pbuh)."

Ishmael was the brother of Isaac not Jacob... And brothers was mostly referring within the tribe. Verses please.

"Moses said, He will be like me. lets analyse this, Moses had a mother and father, Jesus had NO FATHER. he was born WITHOUT the intervention of sperm, and mary gave birth just like God ordered her to. (in quran chapter MARY)"

Verses please. And you're just comparing things that AREN'T the same.

"Jesus was NOT married. had NO children. Moses had children and was married."

Stop comparing wordly things.

"Moses died a natural death, Jesus was crucified according to the bible and your belief."

See above.

"In fact the ONLY fact that priests say that Jesus is the prophet talked about by Moses is that He was JEWISH. however there was many other prophets that were jewish such as aaron, David. why are they not divine."

You are mistaken, Genesis 3:15 says, And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.""

Offspring can also be worded as, seed. The Seed, Jesus Christ, born of a woman (notice how it says woman's offspring while almost all other genealogies name only the father?). The Seed, crushed the Serpent's head, which fits because Jesus conquered sin. David and Moses never conquered sin and both were born from a man and a woman.

Next, Moses says that Jesus is the Star of Jacob.

""I see him, but not now;
I behold him, but not near.
A star will come out of Jacob;
a scepter will rise out of Israel.
He will crush the foreheads of Moab,
the skulls of all the sons of Sheth".

And other prophets told of his coming as well, I'd gladly show them to you if you want.

"now lets compare Muhammad(saw) with Moses. He had a FATHER and MOTHER. he was not rejected by his people. he had wives, and children. and he died a normal death. and came from "your brothers" (the brothers of the jews, the palestinians) from Ishmael , forefather of palestinians. brother of Jacob. so who is more like Moses, Muhammad(saw) or Jesus?"

Again, wrong, brothers is most likely referring within the tribe (can't make sure since you never cited your verse) and the brother of the Jews are the Edomites not the Palestinians.

"Moses was the word of God, but not literally, just like Jesus was not the son of God literally. because God does not have sex, or exrete, or urinate or in need of food etc. God is not human."

Wrong, the Word of God is Jesus and sometimes it is used to talk about Scripture, which is the word of God. You need to understand the whole trinity concept... Please read, "Response to Natural Progression of Christianity".

"there are over 16 DIFFERENT versions and denominations of the bible. and ALL them differ. and your telling me it is authentic? brother, the bible has been changed and fabricated, thats what the quran said."

Denominations are based on preference. The goal of ALL Christian churches is to spread God's Kingdom.

Cults/sects however are different, Mormonism and Jehovah's Witness would fall under this category. Their teachings are different, and Jesus warned of such false prophets.

Since the Bible is written in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek, it must be translated into the other languages to be read by those who do not speak Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. New versions come to make understanding the Bible easier. The text of the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic Bibles are the same as the original Bible.

Now this claim of, "The Bible is Corrupted!" is refuted by archaeology.

We can agree that the originals are uncorrupted I hope. That is an absolute,

Absolute- The original text in the Bible/Torah was uncorrupted.

Fact- The Bible was re-copied (not rewritten) over the ages.

Assumption- The Bible has changed from the original.

Fact- The NT copies all agree 99.5% with each other and the originals (the .5% is due to different spellings or minor rewordings of the same idea). Now, let's be logical, if somewhere in the line of re-copying, some people re-write some things, why is it that the Bibles nowadays, agree with not only each other but with the previous ones? You'd think that at least 10% of the Bible would be different from each other because some people rewrote things, but they all agree.

Fact- The Dead Sea Scrolls have proved that the BIble is uncorrupted and is not different. Archaeology refutes your theory and a core teaching in the Qu'ran.

"like i said before, not even one dot in the quran has ever been changed. the author is GOD. and God does not lie, or contradict himself."

That's irrelevant about how much it has changed so far. First, we must decide if the Qu'ran is reliable, only then do the later editions matter. You have to justify your claims of the divinity of the Qu'ran. You give me a very vague prophecy (with no source) and some science quotes (which are VERY similar to the Bibles) and one of which contradicts itself (Big Bang).

I can show verses, prophecies, archaelogy, changed lives, etc.

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