Hitler VS Christianity

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Dec 17, 2006 at 17:39

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today's Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

This will be humorous. Did you ever think that some people say they are something yet they are not? Do you not know that Jesus prophesied these 'wolves cloaked in sheep skin'? This is a servant of the Lord:

24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, (2 Timothy 2:24 NIV)

Notice how Hitler does not do this? Hitler used the ‘Christian Church' for support. I can use your logic against you by saying that a humanist (who really believes something else) kills people in the humanism (yet he does not believe in humanism). Would you accept his testimony? Surely not! Actions speak louder than words! These are the things that were taught to us even while we were children. Yet somehow when a person who claims to be a Christian does ungodly things (which the Bible condemns), suddenly the atheist says Christianity is at fault (when the person did represent Christianity at all). How sad! I did not distort history by showing you the secret conversations. Hitler's clostest friends all agreed that Hitler was not a Christian (he only pretended). Even Wikipedia (a secular source) says that Hitler was not a Christian.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven't encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.

This is far from the truth. The most biased people are not Christians, but the people who try to force their 'my way or the highway' thinking onto others. Yes, it is the evolutionary thinking of "We have no hope, humanity is no different from animal-kind, racial supremacy' that are the most destructive and biased. People who are too busy having themselves as the center of the universe rather than God. The reason why evolution is so popular is because humanity wants to believe it. Not only that, it is also advertised by education systems while the only time a person is allowed to say the name Jesus at school is as a curse word! Any other use of the word is 'unconstitutional'. Of course I speak on behalf of the public schools. So called 'philosophical alternatives' or 'intelligent theory' classes are banned. The student has no say. There was a class that taught evolution and intelligent design and it was banned because it was wrong to teach things that might point to a creator. Atheism is going on its witch hunt for people who believe in God.

Hitler and the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

I do not support infant baptism because the baby has no choice. Baptism without consent cannot make you a Christian any more than eating rice makes you Chinese.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery's coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

Stalin went to a religious school yet was a Darwinist. We've had lots of people going to religious schools turning out not so religious.

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

Doesn't mean anything. Catholicism and Christianity are different mind you.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ." His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: "I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal." -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The irony is that a soldier of Christ does not fight with the weapons of this world. Which is more reliable? His speeches in public or his talks with his closest friends? Ever heard of the term, two-faced?

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and "avenging for God" in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

Anti-semitism is not a Christian doctrine. If you only read the Bible you could tell. I am not concerned with fallible followers, I am concerned with the doctrine.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: "The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie." Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.

Hitler would have lost a huge amount of support if he did so. If you were a genius, would you play pretend to win popular support or outright oppose them and lose some needed support? Hitler employed manipulation; is that so hard to believe? Our politicians do it all the time!

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

I do not care for the Catholic Church. My authority comes from the Bible which is inspired by God unlike the Pope which is a creation of man. Might I add that Hitler could have pretended? Don't you think he could have employed propaganda?

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars." (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

Well of course he was going to agree -.-. Hitler was called "Germany's Savior". Hitler pulled a dying country out of its ashes and back into advancement. These people blindly followed him. Again, I am not concerned with Catholic followers since their authority is from man which is not of the Bible.

h) Due to Hitler's involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: "The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today." –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda "Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church." -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism.

We have had so many politicians ‘promise' us things but never kept their promises. They say these things to gain power. Might I mention that Hitler was not an active Catholic? He only did Confession once, which was unwillingly! How can he be a Catholic if he never attended mass (which is crucial to salvation in their beliefs aka. No biblical support).

How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Martin Luther was a good man. However I will not tolerate his hatred of Jews near the end of his life. These are not views held by Christians. Find me a verse in the Bible in context that Jesus tells us to strike the Jews. Instead, we hear Jesus commanding us to love thy neighbor and to find the lost sheep of Israel:

4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. (1 John 2:4-6 NIV) emphasis added

Here comes that question. What would Jesus do? Would Jesus kill the Jews? No, he would not. Hitler said he knew him, but he is a liar. His closest friends support my view.

Might I add how ironic Hitler is for having Martin Luther as a hero when the Catholic Church hated the man?

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.

Yet again, propaganda and lies. In Hitler's secret conversations, he said that he would have preferred Islam in contrast to Christianity. Christianity was too meek and mild for his taste.

How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity: "We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession..."

All your posts are the same. You keep saying that Hitler says that he was a Christian in public. Yes, I agree that he did say he was in public. HOWEVER, it is obvious that he was not a Christian due to his secret conversations (about eliminating Christianity). More convincing were his actions which were so against the Biblical doctrine:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21 NIV) emphasis added

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: "By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence." – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

They took over Christian schools if I recall correctly.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads "Gott Mit Uns". For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as "God With Us".

Too bad God didn't tell them to do that...

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

Holy water has no biblical support. The only holy water is the Living Water who is Jesus.

i) The Nazis created a secret service called the "SS Reich" that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.

http://www.bede.org.uk/hitler.htm
This sums it up. I noticed you never wrote about how Hitler later did things against the church… hmmm…

Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

"National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic' political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed.
Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men." -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this "tradition" up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can "defile" the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

"The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

"Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain." –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

We can play quote wars all day. I've already shown you that Hitler said many things against Christianity in private.

Unlike what you have been trying to say the entire time, Christianity did stand against Hitler.
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=285

It seems that you have ignored Hitler's secret conversations with his friends… Here is a very simple illustration of your logic:

I am a scientist. I teach evolution and darwinism and I research the matter. When I speak to my friends, I say that evolution is a fact. However, when I return home, I pull out my Bible and I begin praying to Jesus. My friends and family usually see me doing this.

Now according to your logic, this man would be a 100% evolutionist. Definitely! I beg to differ. The man could be feigning as a Darwinist to avoid ridicule from others or to make money. Whatever the reason, this man is Christian.

It's like you've never heard of this thing called lying… But of course, if one guy says he's a Christian and then acts like a pagan, he has to be Christian right?!? He can't lie!

I am a Christian, not because I say I am. It is because of my faith and how my deeds back up my faith and my doctrine.

If Hitler was a Christian, would he not see that the Jews are the chosen people of God? Did he ignore the fact that EVERY prophet in the Old Testament and New Testament was a Jew? Did he ignore that all of the Apostles were Jews? 64 out of 66 books of the Bible were written by Semites. Did ignore that? Did he ignore that the reason Christianity is spread throughout Europe is because of the ministry of the Jews? Did he ignore that God chose the Jews as his people? Did he ignore the most important fact, that Jesus himself was a Jew?

Honestly, what kind of logic is this?

If I say I am a Muslim, yet I run around preaching to everyone that Jesus is LORD, wouldn't that show others that I am not Muslim? Acts speak far louder than words. And you have ignored one important fact of history. That Christianity has fought against the evil of the Holocaust. In Poland, roughly 50% killed were Christians. In France, because of Christian opposition, it lost significantly less Jews than in other nations. That Christians, risked their lives to hide Jews. Have you read Anne Frank's diary? Those people who hid the Franks were Christians if I recall correctly.

29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.(Acts 20:29 NIV)

Christians are commanded to test what people say by comparing it with their actions. Above is a verse that Paul says warning us to beware of false believers.

Hitler was a pseudo-Christian who believed in evolution. Was he Christian, I think not. Find me support from the Bible that justifies Hitler's actions.

We have diverted too far from the original topic. Let us resume our debate about the Christian doctrine or its evidence instead of trying to debate over imperfect followers. If you truly want to continue talking about Hitler, go ahead. But do not waste time by saying ‘Hitler said this in public so it must be true!'

May God Bless You All

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