Sohail

Submitted by Servant of Christ (United States), Oct 22, 2006 at 18:21

You said the following:

I can easily use that argument against you by saying that you misinterpret Isaiah to make it seem as if Muhammad is the one he is referring to.

I can also easily say that you misinterpret Isaiah 42 to make it seem like that it is prophecy for about the coming of Jesus.

Alright, show me how I misinterpreted it.

You said the following:

"Unfortunately, the Muhammad's biography does not reflect his own teaching. He was known to insult the pagans was he not? He launched the attack, it was not retaliation."

And he married a nine year old with God's permission? He had over four wives with Allah's permission? Allah let him marry his step son's wife?

No the pagans were attacking Muhammad (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh) did not make war without Allah's permission.

He insulted the pagans...

You said the following:

"What's your point? God does not like false prophets."

My point is this, some Jews in time of Jesus used verses like this to try and kill Jesus (pbuh).

Actually they used the "Do not blaspheme" verse to try to stone him. Despite Jesus telling the truth about being God's Son.

You then said the following:

"Sorry, I meant 1500-400 BC.

Of course, of course. Let's first talk about how the Bible is written. For all the books, except Genesis and teaching books (Psalms, Proverbs, etc), the Bible is written in a historical way. The very first book was Genesis which was written by Moses, who also wrote the other 4 books of the Pentauch.

Critics say that the earliest writings before the 10th century BC. Remember, the OT was copied, so the earliest copy we have today may not even be the earliest. Also, the Bible's archaeology matches up with the timeline around it and we use that to date the Bible as well."

No the oldest Bible scripts are the dead sea scrolls which date about 300bce-70ad and they some believe that Moses (pbuh) may not have written the whole of the Torah.

servant of Christ believe me that some of Christian practices today are from pagan religions and the trinity is from the Hindu religion.

The trinity was taught from the very beginning of Genesis! For God said:

Genesis 1:26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness"

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with ^[a] man forever, for he is mortal ^[b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." (Genesis 6:3)

Then you said in one of your other comments this:

"However, can we agree that Jesus is prophesied much more than Muhammed. Again, I must acknowledge the bitter irony that you're using the prophecies of a so called ‘fallible book' to defend an ‘infallible religion'. Do we agree that Jesus is the Messiah? Or do you even acknowledge there being a Messiah at all?"

Probably Jesus is more prophesied in the Bible then Muhammad in the Bible. Yes I also do believe that Jesus is the messiah but that's why I don't believe he is the prophet like Moses or he fulfils Isaiah 42.

If you truly believe that Jesus is the Messiah, then why do you not believe him to be God's own son? I promised you that I would give you verses that show that Jesus is God:

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel." (Genesis 3:15)

So this passage says that the woman's offspring (yet there is no mention of a man's offspring) and the serpent will conflict. Jesus had no father, and crushed the serpent.

I see him, but not now;
I behold him, but not near.
A star will come out of Jacob;
a scepter will rise out of Israel.
He will crush the foreheads of Moab,
the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. (Numbers 24:17)

Jesus was the star of Jacob.

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -

3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;

4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist. (Isaiah 11:1-5)

This is how Isaiah clarifies that the person who will judge is the same as the person who has the Spirit on him. And this person is a descendent of Jesse. Jesus.

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. (Daniel 7:13)

Son of Man was Jesus' favorite title for himself.

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans ^[a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins ^[b] are from of old,
from ancient times. ^[c] "(Micah 5:2)

So this Messiah was from ancient times. In other words, eternity.

And now, the most important:

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, ^[a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

This man was to be God. He will be called, MIGHTY GOD. This is directly opposite of what Muhammed teaches. Only one can be right! I will address the issues on what Jesus says of himself and how he fulfills the attributes of God.

You believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Please, you are so close to salvation. Turn to Jesus, to God himself. If Jesus was the Messiah, then he was God.

Sohail

May God Bless You All

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