mohamad not prophet, marriage, christian women head covering, woman status response to Sohail

Submitted by Susan (Canada), Feb 10, 2007 at 22:17

Submitted by Sohail, Feb 7, 2007 at 11:30

Response: God tells Mohamed to stone and then immediatelly tells him not to stone? Or if that is not the case, how would Mohamed even dare to take life of other perosn without God's command in the first place?

Allah didn't tellMuhammad (pbuh) to do this, Muhammad adopted from biblical law.

Response: If he was a prophet he should know better, not to go head first into such a responsibe think like to make a judgement. It is a serious matter to sentence somebody to death. I am not a prophet and when I need to do someting that has lasting consequences I pray to seek Lord's will!. Even with my children I pray for wisdom. This just tells me that he was a "wana be prophet" who did what suited him at any given moment and than manipulated public opinion by stating diffrent things.

Response: I was not telling that Koran is commanding it but that is is practices in Islam based on Islamic tradition. (Koran 2:229-230 created ground for it) It is practiced for example in India and Iran. But the main emphasis of my comment was not on the manner of divorce, but that it creates a ground for additional hypocracy through a new "formal marrige" THat is already planned to be broken just to fulfill a matter of law. I believe there is a term for it -"Muhalil"

In his book, "Asbab al-Nuzul" (p.46), the Suyuti states that this woman came to Muhammad and told him:

"‘Abdul-Rahman (the Muhallil whom she wed after she was divorced) has divorced me without having any sexual intercourse with me. May I go back to my ex-husband?' Muhammad said to her: ‘No, that is not permissible until Abdul-Rahman has sex with you first, then you may go back to Rafa'a."'

No it doesn't:

A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (Men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by Allah; so do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong (Themselves as well as others). So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand. Quran 2:229-30

Response: I have read the verse and cited it to you so why are you citing it back. It is the verse that is used in the manner I have mentioned even today. This is the human nature!.

Response: Thanks for finding the verse for me, this is what I had exactly on mind. I was telling that there were rules that governed the whole process. The Jew had to wait for a month and had to free her if he did not like her. He was not allowed to sell her! This was a big advancement for the historical period it was introduced in. This is quite contrary to Islamic tradition full of rape right out of the battle field. You are right You can marry captives in the Old Testament. But you can not rape them nor sleep with them without marrige it is a sin.

It this shows what kind of prophet Moses was; a really bad one. Response: Why was he a bad profet if he commanded Jews to restrain themselves and wait a month plus he made extra rules? I thought that you liked Moses. It is much better than in muslim tradition where women of dead enemy soldier swere raped instantly without wait, without marrige, isn't it?

Response: What does this have to do with anything. It tells that you should avoid temptation and places onus on you. Not like in Islam where woman has to be covered so the man does not get tempted. Every person is responsible to deal with their temptations. It is fair that if I feel tempted that I deal with it and work on changing my own circumstances. It is a very proactive approach.

Well look at the punishments for temptation. In the Bible women are supposed to cover their heads. - I disagree see my comment, also I guess you have nothing more serious to say and we made a whole circle. It is quite ironic that you mind christian women to cover their head during church service while praying ( compared to muslim woman who are supposed to cover themselves constantly

But actualyl it is not so. christian women do not have to cover their heads, since what apostle Paul refers to as "woman's covering" is her hair:

1 Corinthians 11:14-16 (New International Version)

14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. Apostle Paul does not want woman in church to pray without this"covering" - so he wants tham to have long hair.

and as for the equality of woman in Islam I found 5 videos on Utube with Imams talking about how to physically beat women citing koran. ( I can send you the links if you want me to)

Sura (4:34) "Good women are obedient… As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to bed apart and beat them."

"Women are your fields; go then into your fields whence you please." (Sura 2:223) (it looks like women are property of man, doesn't it?

compare this to the new testament.

Ephesians 5:33

33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Colossians 3:18-20

18Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

19Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them.

20Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

1 Corinthians 7:2-5 (New International Version)

2But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife.5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ( this is in contrast to your surah 4:34!)

1 Corinthians 7:9-11 (New International Version)

10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

With prayer, Lord bless you!

Susan

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