Response to Sohail, divorce, temporary marrige, and other issues

Submitted by Susan (Canada), Feb 6, 2007 at 00:22

Submitted by Sohail, Feb 2, 2007 at 09:12

Response: Than Mohamed does not obey Koran, because there were so many stoning cases that were ordered by Mohamed in hadits witnessed by his companions. Based on your "Hadith Science" it points to strong evidence that stoning was upheld by Mohamed in cases of adultery. Why is it that Mohamed does not go by what he says that "God revealed to him" ?

Understand this; the verse that I showed you came after Muhammad made the stoning law.

Response: God tells Mohamed to stone and than immediatelly tells him not to stone? Or if that is not the case, how would Mohamed even dare to take life of other perosn without God's command in the first place?

Response: Jesus was critisizing temporary marrige that was practised at that time and is also so prevelent in Muslim countries. "If you do not want to commit adultery but still want to have sex with somebody, marry that somebody for one night and you will be OK." In Islam it gets another twist - a guy can say 3 times " I divorce you, i divorce you, I divorce you" and woman has to marry somebody else for one night and that guy has to sleep with her and than divorce her in the same manner and than the first one can marry her again - is not that adultery blessed by Islam? It is an adultery and hypocracy. I believe that it is much better to have a life long commitment to your partner and not to look at divorce lightly. By the way woman can not use the 3time I divoirce you to get rid of her men - where is equality her?

What about women of men that were killed by Moslims in a war? She can be raped without any consequence immediately after her husband was killed in a war. Even in old testament the jews were not allowed to do it.

Can show me where in the Quran it says that you can divorce your wive saying 3 times " I divorce you, i divorce you, I divorce you"?

Response: I was not telling that Koran is commanding it but that is is practices in Islam based on Islamic tradition. (Koran 2:229-230 created ground for it) It is practiced for example in India and Iran. But the main emphasis of my comment was not on the manner of divorce, but that it creates a ground for additional hypocracy through a new "formal marrige" THat is already planned to be broken just to fulfill a matter of law. I believe there is a term for it -"Muhalil"

In his book, "Asbab al-Nuzul" (p.46), the Suyuti states that this woman came to Muhammad and told him:

"‘Abdul-Rahman (the Muhallil whom she wed after she was divorced) has divorced me without having any sexual intercourse with me. May I go back to my ex-husband?' Muhammad said to her: ‘No, that is not permissible until Abdul-Rahman has sex with you first, then you may go back to Rafa'a."'

This incident is confirmed and recorded in al-Baydawi, al-Suyuti, al-Bukhari and the rest of the sources. Al-Bukhari mentions another similar story in which the woman receives the same answer from Muhammad because the order of the Qur'anic verse is very plain: "... until she has wed another husband."

You also have "Muta" that was a couple of times retracted and reinstated. If Mohamed was such a prophet he would not have to go back and forth with his rulings.

In the Old Testament it does say that you can marry your captives:

10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her. Deuteronomy 21:10-14

Response: Thanks for finding the verse for me, this is what I had exactly on mind. I was telling that there were rules that governed the whole process. The Jew had to wait for a month and had to free her if he did not like her. He was not allowed to sell her! This was a big advancement for the historical period it was introduced in. This is quite contrary to Islamic tradition full of rape right out of the battle field. You are right You can marry captives in the Old Testament. But you can not rape them nor sleep with them without marrige it is a sin.

The punishment for adultery in the Bible is death - Response: I guess you have chosen to ignore the example of "Jesus and the adulteress" I have sent you previously.

Susan of course I didn't, I just found this verse in the New testament:

27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. Matthew 5:27-30

Response: What does this have to do with anything. It tells that you should avoid temptation and places onus on you. Not like in Islam where woman has to be covered so the man does not get tempted. Every person is responsible to deal with their temptations. It is fair that if I feel tempted that I deal with it and work on changing my own circumstances. It is a very proactive approach.

Sohail

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