You are an excitable person aren't you.

Submitted by Peter Hall (Australia), Nov 22, 2011 at 20:32

I understand that you are looking to try and make a mountain out of a mole hill, but 2500 US marines is hardly a force. 2500 troops, are you kidding? Do you really thing that 2500 troops alter the strategic balance in the region?

That a few US troops using Northern Australia as a training base to do joint exercises is hardly new, we have conducted joint training operations of the last 6 decades involving tens of thousands of troops at a time.

Also considering the current number of joint operations involving Australia and the US, I think it is only logical to improve operational efficiency.

I never said we fear China nor that this is directed at China. Those are your words Debanjee, not mine; I can almost hear your high pitched whine.

As to the Origins of Australia's involvement in WW1, that would be beyond the scope of this forum, however WW1 was started by a Muslim student shooting a Austrian Grand Duke.

So the start of the war was triggered by a Muslim extremist. If Turkey had not sided with the Germans, they would not have gotten involved in WW1 and they would not of lost their Empire in total and complete defeat.

Australia only have a total defence force of 50,000 personnel, how are we going to be ganging up on China???? I think you are being hysterical and a drama queen. To be honest I find the Chinese I have dealt with actually speak better English than either your average Australian or American. I think you are a racist in those comments.

The biggest lie you have ever seen? Have you read your own posts? Deliberately misquoting what I wrote to try and be sensational, now that is telling a lie Debanjee.

I also said we(Australia) do not lust after middle eastern oil, I did not say the US or English. You again are letting your imagination run away with you.

I am also pretty certain that the British rely on the North sea for oil as opposed to the Middle East, but remember the trigger to the wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan is Muslim or Arabic aggression. If Saddam Hussein had not invaded Kuwait then there would of been no war in Iraq.

If Muslim Extremists had not attacked the US, Britain and Australia, we would not need to be there in Afghanistan.

You seem to have a very selective memory, as to what has happened in the Middle East and North Africa.

The only thing the Middle East and North Africa has that is of any use to the West is oil. There is nothing else in those regions of any use or need to the West. The west and the rest of the world pays lots of money for the oil you mention, it is never for free.

However these regions, due to low education, over population and corrupt regimes are basket cases. These regions consistently rate amongst the highest in corruption indexes.

You ask why does the west deal with corrupt Saudis etc??

WELL WHO ELSE IS THERE?, Every region and Government in the Middle East and North Africa is corrupt. Is Iran corrupt? They are not pro west. Is Syria corrupt? They are not pro west. Is Libya corrupt, they are not pro west!

Who can we deal with in these countries and regions?? Well Debanjee? What choices does the West have?

If the pro western Governments are corrupt and the anti Western Governments are corrupt, I think it is a problem with the people of the region, not the West. We have to deal with someone. North African, Middle Eastern and Muslim culture has not given us many good leaders to deal with have they? If someone in these countries starts trying to act in a reasonable manner, some extremist usually shoots them.

North Africa and the Middle East needs the west to feed its people, runs its industries and supply virtually all its goods. As soon as the oil runs out, the Middle east and North Africa are in deep trouble.

As to your last remarks, both Italy and Greece are relatively new to democracy. The Model we have in Australia may not be the best model but it has worked for over 100 years. If you want to look at failed models I just have to draw your attention to any Muslim majority country.

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