Ben Othman: You have no answers. You seem on the verge of a meltdown

Submitted by Plato (India), Jun 21, 2012 at 07:00

Hello Ben Othman,

Oobviously you seem at a loss to contest anything I have said in my previous posts so you take refuge under the fact that I am an idolater and so not worth debating with.

>>Mr Plato ( an idol worshiper shamelessly using a household world reknown Greek name )<<

What is wrong with an idol-worshipper taking an idol-worshipper's name? I could have done better and used Muhammad as a nickname and that would have you howling in anger. I did not, so be happy.

>>So, you are an Indian pagan .<<

True. And you are Malaysian Muslim who has turned your back on your pagan ancestors.

>>Your caste system is so terrible that the higher caste will not even tolerate shadows of the outcaste. <<

Before you talk about castes and outcastes read the Indian constitution on what the status of castes is in India today. We recently had a low-caste as the chief justice of the country. One of our previous presidents was a so-called low-caste. The architect of our constitution was an outcaste. You have no clue to modern India. Your moulvis have been lying to you.

>>Sort it out before you venture into something else that you an idol worshiper know nothing about-i.e Who God is and why He Created humans .<<

Idol worshippers know all about why Allah created humans – to worship Allah.

>>--humans are not Created to condemn other humans to the Lower caste or the outcaste.<<

You are right, humans have no right to condemn people because of their birth. But Muslims have the orders of Allah to treat unbelievers as outcastes. Unbelievers cannot enter within several miles of your holy of holies, the Kaaba because they are unclean (9:28).

>>These are all ideas brought by the Aryans to dominate and surpress others.The Dalits and the Dravidians resent and loathe that system so much so they rather become pseudo Christians.The Buddhists hated that Caste system.<<

I suggest you not try to show your expertise on the Indian caste system sitting in Malaysia. You need to be better educated on what is the present status of the various castes here. For instance I am a Dravidian by race. I resent what the Arayans did for centuries but I resent even more what the Arabs and Muslims did to both Dravidians and Aryans over the last thousand years. At least the Arayans allowed the lower castes to have a life, however degraded. The Muslims either slaughtered (60 million is the estimate) of my forefathers or took them as slaves. That is why Ambedkar the architect of our constitution led the low-castes to Buddhism and not Islam.

Do you think the Buddhists love Islam after what it did to their forebears in India having brought it low from its high point in history. Google what Muslims did to the great university of Nalanda. I can save you the trouble. Thousands of Buddist scholars and their students were massacred and all the knowledge accumulated over centuries of scholarship destroyed.

>>Matthews 15;24 is from the bible--'Jesus (Alayhi salam ) was SENT to the lost sheep of Israel'."Sent "means , he was sent by God, he was a messenger, a Prophet, a warner and a bringer of good tidings to the Bani Israel-the Jews the descendants of Jacob (Alayhi salam ).<<

The verse says "sent TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL". It does not say anything about being sent to anyone else. So Jesus is not your prophet.

>>Jesus was himself a Jew.If your Indian friends say they are Christians,they are pretenders, they are masquerading as Jews--which unfortunately will make them laughing stock.<<

I have no clue what you are trying to convey with these statements. But anybody can see who has made himself the laughing stock among the readers here.

>>By the way, for the information of idolators like you, Muslims believe in parts of the Old and New Testament that have not been altered. We do not totally reject the original Scriptures of Moses ( Alayhi salam ) and Jesus (AS ) for they and the noble Quran are from one source . The Quran is the Last Testament.<<

So, by the way, for the information of idolators which parts of the Old and New Testament have not been altered. Can you tell us, please? I have not seen any verse in the Koran which indicates which biblical verses have been so altered, so how do you or your scholars know (I know of no hadiths either which says about any altered Biblical verses).

It is so sad that the source (Allah) of all THREE scriptures was unable to protect TWO of them from corruption (and He has not told you which the corrupt parts are) despite boasting that He is all-powerful). What makes you so sure that the last will be protected or even that it is not already corrupt?

Wait for Allah to change his mind (abrogate the verses) and bring forth another Koran, for Allah can do whatever He wants.

>>That is the reason I said, idolators like you and us adherents of Semitic faiths have no common ground.With the true Christians(now which Jew is a Christian nowadays ? ) and the Jews that stick to the Torah, the fundamentals are there and what is needed is to bridge the differences.<<

Idolaters do have common ground with Christians as they also pray to idols of Jesus and Mary.

>>With the idolators and stone worshipers, what I can say is you can learn from us.<<

Learn what from you? To consider women as second class people because the Koran says so (4:34 SHAKIR: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property…). Are we supposed to learn that we are unclean because Allah says so in 9:28.

>> By learning, I mean-listen and not try to be too clever.<<

You want us idolaters to be like Muslims and just listen to Muhammad when he says he is the messenger of god. If that is being too clever, we ARE too clever.

>>And your novice attempt at discrediting the Quran fails;-for hundreds of years orientalists who were far much more learned than you have tried and failed to find fault with the holy Book.<<

It does not take any scholarship to discredit the Koran. Just one or two verses from it are sufficient:

008.041 YUSUFALI: And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.

Allah, who claims to be the creator and owner of the universe stands discredited for claiming a fifth of the booty acquired in war fought by humans (of course this is Muhammad's being "too clever" to get a big part of the booty for himself).

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

In 9:29 Allah tells you to fight the people of the book until they convert or pay a humiliation tax though you have been claiming some commonality with them. Now you also stand discredited because instead of trying to bridge the gap between Muslims and people of the book Allah wants you to humiliate or fight and kill them.

>>I have all the answers to your childish assertions but it would be posted for others<<

Go ahead post to others my childish assertions for them to decide.

>>You are irrelevant for idol worshipers know nothing. Sorry, I categorically refuse to entertain you.<<

True. Unlike Muslims, idol-worshippers know that compared to the infinity of knowledge out there in the universe our knowledge is zilch. Muslims think that all knowledge is contained within the 6246 ayas of the Koran.

I will not refuse to "entertain" you as your posts are so very entertaining.

Regards

Plato

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