Plato, Dont Play multidimensional game !

Submitted by Maqsood (Pakistan), Aug 7, 2007 at 07:04

Plato!

what i believe this discussion is not only for the sake of discussion only, not to waste your and mine time and not to misguide someone. I am seeing that you re playing multidimensional hypocritic game. ie.

sometimes you talk of God/ faithand give references from Quran and other Islamic sources inspite of you having said that you dont believe in any God.

Like

Muslims this is a matter of faith. Despite the fact that Othman had to burn other versions of the Koran Muslims believe this. They also forget that diacritical marks were put in later. The question that arises here is does the Koran kept in paradise have diacritical marks. If it does then the Koran that Othman approved was not the real Koran and for sometime Muslims did not possess the original. The original Koran was written down by other Muslims.

and

009.111 YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

etc

Sometimes you want scientific proofs (logical reasoning) of the Islamic sayings.

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I do not want any other proofs. Just give me the name of the scientist who confirmed that the moon was split in half once upon a time and the proof he/she gave.

Show us the figures for conversions to Islam and not increase due to Muslims tending to have large families and immigration. Do you have any figure for people wholeave Islam unannounced because of fear of being murdered by Muslims

etc

And sometimes you ask that if islamic sayings are result of scientific research.

I am not afraid of anyone but we should follow one regime at one time so that we can reach some conclusion.

And also i would like to clear it to you that we are not Muslims due to the scientific reasoning but these recent developments do strengthen our beliefs about the truth of Islam.

By putting scientific facts those are as per Quranic signs i only want to make you people understand better, and from my point of view these should be the starting point for onward discussion.

I hope the truth of circumcision, forbidden pork eating, method of slaughtering animal, alcohlism as ordered by Islam is quite clear to you and other non muslims as i have given to you the latest research and social effects results /figures about all these issues. And these results/effects clearly speaks the truth of Islam. If you still have any question regarding these, let me know , but it should be specific.

For Now i will give you a pic of moon taken by Apollo-10. See it and give your comments.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021029.html

What do you say about this line???

Also, BBC broadcast a program; here's an excerpt:
"...Being quite surprised, they gave this information to their geologists, who were also surprised, as they concluded that this couldn't be unless the moon was once split and resealed. The rocks on the belt are a result of the impact during the time that the two halves of the moon recombined...."

David Mosa Pidcook (leader on British Muslim Party) asked to comment on this question and he said: It was shown in BBC a program where there was a debate between three experts. The discussion was about if the amount of money paid by NASA to send a human to land on the surface of the moon to study the inner structure of the moon was worth it or not?? The American government authorised a budget of $100, 000, 000, 000 (one hundred thousand million dollar) for this project.

One of the discoveries of that project was that there is a layer of material that splits the moon into two halves and the only explanation to this discovery that the moon was split at some times in its history and rejoined

Also See the following witness

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/farmas.html:

The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It is quoted in the book "Muhammad Rasulullah," by M. Hamidullah:

"There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the "Indian king" was piously visited for many centuries."

The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel.

I hope further confirmations will come in near future.

Maqsood

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