To Maqsood: On who is a hypocrite and who evil. Part I

Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 23, 2007 at 01:37

Maqsood, I thought since you took such a long time to reply there would have been a more structured and focused reply. I have tried to do the best I can with what you have provided:

M:Plato! again hypocrytic attack, when u r not able to answer logically, u r making Allah (Faith of Muslims) responsible for evil things. As it was decided to discuss the things only logically 1st and then we can connect these logics with our faith, thats y i said leave Allah aside

P: Maqsood read:

hyp•o•crite 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements. (dictionary.com)

113.01-03 SHAKIR: Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of the dawn, From the evil of what He has created, And from the evil of the utterly dark night when it comes,

Maqsood, you have called me a hypocrite and said that I have made Allah responsible for evil. After reading the definition of hypocrite and Allah's own words about seeking refuge from evil He has created, do you want to rethink your position about my being a hypocrite and Allah having created evil. Here is a little logic, Maqsood, who created Satan well-knowing his nature and what he would do? Read your scripture for Allah's role in evil. 15:32-43 and 38:78-85.

M: ….. I was trying to make you understand the principles of Islam without bringing in Allah Almighty

P: Can you tell me what Islam is without Allah? How can you discuss Islam without bringing in Allah? Without Allah Islam cannot exist and collapses.

M:… But i m feeling that you have closed the doors of your heart and mind. From your point of view, if you cant leave Allah aside, it means you definitely have some believe in Allah…

P: Saying I have closed my heart and mind is so typical of believers' arguments against non-believers. What it means is that I have to accept whatever nonsense that is claimed to be true. For instance I have to accept that Mohammed is a Prophet because the Koran which he himself recited says he is one, in the Koran that he claims he received from Allah. And what is the proof? Don't ask! Only people who have closed their minds and hearts dare ask such stupid questions!!!

One cannot have ‘some' belief, either one believes or one doesn't and I don't believe in any deity.

M:..We should analyze for what He is responsible and for what He is not. We can discuss slavery and wife beating (as per u) in islam once u confess that Alcohol forbidden in Islam is as per nature or you will have to prove it to me that it is illogical.

P: Alright let us analyse. Allah is responsible for Satan, who the Koran claims is responsible for evil. The buck stops with Allah. Again read 15:32-43 and 38:78-85.

Who created nature, Maqsood? The buck again stops with Allah.

M:See the link between alcoholism and incest.

http://allpsych.com/journal/alcoholism.html

P: The same study also says: Alcoholics can be of any age, background, income level, social, or ethnic group. Very often alcoholism affects highly educated people. Several studies even showed that people who lack motivation are less likely to become addicted to alcohol than highly motivated individuals (Silverstein, 1990).

The study says alcoholism can strike anyone and note the comment about people who lack motivation being less affected. Aren't Muslims among the very highly motivated people?

That Islam frowns on alcohol consumption is a good thing but so do other religions, so what is your point here?

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