To Maqsood: Like oil and water, Islam and logic don't mix.

Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 9, 2007 at 13:20

>>It seems that your only purpose of life is to say against Islam, Allah Almighty, Quran, Holy Prophet PBUH (although it is useless to you and humanity) whether you re convinced or not, whether it is logical or not, whether you hurt someone or not, whether you have solid references or not. I dont know from where you re getting these misguiding information. What i believe you know nothing about Islam.<<

Let me put it a little differently. Maqsood, don't you get the feeling that the only purpose of Islam is as you say, to ‘say against' non-believers. If I have to quote from the Koran the number of times Allah ‘says' (i.e. curses, abuses) against non-believers I will practically have to quote most of the verses. I will just give you a sampling:

002.089 YUSUFALI: And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith.

002.161 Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;

002.065 And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

004.047 O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.

009.068 Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,-

009.030 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Since the book you believe in and swear by has such words for us aren't we justified in believing that the purpose of the Koran, Allah almighty, the Prophet, Islam is to curse and abuse unbelievers?

>>If you really want a solution for humanity and yourself come on the logical grounds.<<

This tells me that you think that humanity needs a solution. Also I believe, because of your belief you think that the solution has been given, it being Islam.

It is 1400 years since the existence of Islam, and no solution is in sight. You have the convenient explanation that human beings are to blame because they refuse to accept Islam despite what seem to believers to be obvious proofs. You forget that Islam is the Almighty's revelation for the human's he has created.

So either Allah has made a serious error in judgment in what he has revealed (the revelations cannot be understood by most people) or the kind of people he has created are not fit for Islam.

Saying that people who refuse to believe do so purposely despite the proofs in the Koran does not help as this means that either Allah has made them stupid or rebellious. If He has created us and also claims He can foresee all our actions Allah cannot escape blame for the plight of humanity.

The weakness is Islam's, as people are Allah's creation. Or alternatively the weakness is in the people who were created by Allah and could not follow Islam.

Maqsood, since you talk about ‘logical grounds', can you point out any logical errors in what I have said above?

Can you now understand that IF there is a God or gods who claim all that the Islamic god claims i.e. His being omnipotent, omniscient, then human life is meaningless and purposeless?

>>Lets us start with God. What is your concepts about God/god? ( If there is none, one, many etc)<<

I have no concept of God or Gods. It is meaningless speculation. If there can be one god then an infinite number of gods can also exist. What can prevent the existence of many gods.?

You cannot also say god exists and then ask me disprove it. Just as you cannot disprove that a ghost lives in your backyard there is no way to prove the nonexistence of god.

The people who propose the existence of god must prove his existence, not the other way around. Saying the Koran is the word of god and the proof can be found in it is infantile circular reasoning. I can claim Shakespeare's works are really the work of the ghost in his backyard as a character in one of his plays said so. Disprove it.

Regards

Plato

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