To Maqsood: Trust science, there are no fairy stories in it.

Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 15, 2007 at 22:03

Hello Maqsood,

>>P:What you say only shows that you are either a vegetarian or have never seen raw meat. LOL.

M: very funny. never mind… just see the facts.<<

Maqsood just visit any butcher's shop to see the facts

>>M: wait till you find the truth. But I will pray that you can find that much time.<<

Your prayer is always welcome. I know the angel of death can strike anytime.

>>M: Leave the theories…. Just come to the proven laws. And also if you cant trust science, come to faith discussion. But for that you will have to make some faith.<<

I trust science more than religion. At least science does not have fairy stories of people talking to ants and birds, of someone traveling to the west and finding the sun set in a murky pool, it does not tell us that stars fall or that the earth was created before the stars.

If I have to have faith before I can discuss faith where is the need for me to discuss it. A gathering of faithfuls usually end up having a heated discussions on whether your prayer will be accepted by Allah if a dog passes in front of you or if a menstruating woman touches you. That is a sheer waste of time.

>>http://www.halalscience.org/en/knowledge_detail.php?Id=88

M: This is the statement by you .. that I will never confess in any case…. youre blaming a German university.????<<

I am not casting aspersions on any university German or American. You have not provided the original source of the report. What you have given is second hand information (quoting a report which quotes another report which does not guide one to the original article by the researchers). In another post I have quoted an article showing that animals do indeed feel pain (the original article in German is also given).

>>‘Thus, leaving aside the debate of stunned/non-stunned meat, the fact remains that it is highly improper for a Muslim to eat out outlets where alcohol is served and consumed within close proximity. By doing so, the natural dislike and abhorrence a Muslim ought to have for alcohol will gradually fade. This is undoubtedly harmful for one's Imaan and the consequences can be far reaching. [http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=75]'

M: Thats true, but you can also see the effects for non muslims. Cant you???<<

What effect do you see on non-believers? I can't see any.

>>P:This reminds one of the old Hindu concept of pollution. The saving grace is that here it is due to alcohol and for Hindus it was due to lower caste people. But the principle is the same. Something is abhorrent and so to even be in its presence is likely to harm one spiritually.

M: Come to the facts….<<

One fact, my dear Maqsood, is that Muslims consider unbelievers to be najees because the Koran says so, 9:28 SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

So to this day people like me are kept out places you consider holy because we are unclean. How would you react if the holy book of the people around you called Muslims unclean. I know of some Muslims who go home and wash their hands after shaking hands with non-Muslims just as they do after touching a dog, as dogs are also considered najees.

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