To Maqsood:More about lies and on evil and ugly intentions. Part V

Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 24, 2007 at 07:09

More on evil and ugly intentions. Part V

M: What a pity you r??? What a liar you r??? How can u say that?? Have you read about his life?? Do you know how he lived? How he used to sleep? What he used to eat? He spent the life of a role model for the whole humanity. I am sure now you can never learn something good because your mission is to spread falsehood intentionally….

Maqsood, let us see who is a liar. You must have read all my replies. I suggest that you pick up sentences or facts that show that I am deliberately lying. Concerning most issues I have quoted only from what Muslims themselves consider reliable sources. Show me any ayat or sura that I have misquoted, changed the meaning or in other ways manipulated their meaning.

You can of course use that tired phrase ‘out of context'. But it is your duty to give the right context if you have any and show that the meaning I have read into them is false.

Why do Muslims begin foaming at the mouth when the history written by reverential followers of Mohammed are quoted to them. His killing of critics, torturing to ferret out a tribe's treasure, marrying a girl whose husband and other relatives he had only had killed the day before are not stories invented by Christians or Jews. The Jews who could have given their version of what happened were all simply wiped out .

This attitude clearly means that Muslims feel very insecure and are unsure about the character of their founder. If there was nothing to hide no amount of character assassination will stick. Can you or has anybody been able to make the Buddha, Jesus, or Mahivra look bad? Really great men are not affected by what puny individuals say about them.

One of Islam's great weaknesses is Mohammed. You have to kill, curse and abuse those who criticize him. His name needs to be constantly protected. You have to constantly invoke peace on him. The Koran has literally glued his name onto the Almighty's. And to top it all Allah and his angels send their blessings/salutation to him.

33:56 SHAKIR: Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 14: Narrated Anas: The Prophet said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind."

This verse and hadith are typical of the giant ego of the Prophet. He considers himself above all mankind. Here is a person so full of self-love that the whole of humanity has been devalued and is as nothing compared to this exalted being to whom even the Lord of the Universe sends his blessings.

Mohammed has created a personality complex to end all personality complexes.

When you come up with that tired excuse of context remember the Koran itself says it is a clear book and easy to understand. The moment you bring in context it means you are denying the Koran's assertion about it being a clear book i.e. you are blaspheming your holy book. The context is often not in the Koran. In fact the context of a very large number of ayas is in history and how can you assert that history written generations after the events is accurate?

M:…It is said in Quran about people like you who are deaf, dumb etc. I hope now you understand the context of that ayat ….

Read the following verses before fooling your readers with the context trick: (5:15, 44:58, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40, 5:16, 10:16, 2:2)Read Surah 111, the Palm Fibre, and tell your readers what sense it makes if you do not know the story of Abu Lahab.

Staying with lies, have you considered the facts you threw at me about circumcision and pork. You gave an expert's opinion about circumcision. The whole article was about why circumcision is a needless mutilation of the human body. You used that article to suggest that circumcision is something that nature requires us to undergo. The charitable interpretation that I can give to your claim is that you did not read it carefully or somebody who did not understand its implications told you the article was all about the naturalness of circumcision. If it was neither of these then what was it you were trying to put over your readers, Maqsood. Do I need to spell it out?

You then gave long and rambling articles about the bad health effects of fat consumption on hypertension and obesity. None of the articles or figures in them ever mentioned pork as a culprit. But you probably assumed that readers may not care to go through it carefully and not notice the totally unrelated conclusion you would draw from it, that pork is the cause of obesity and hypertension in the West. What kind of a conclusion would you call this, honest or dishonest? I drew your attention to the fact that pork is third in the list of meat consumed and that pork has about as much fat as beef. You never came back and admitted that you were wrong.

Instead of doing your own research you depend too much on Zakir Naik. His site is full of false assertions and conclusions.

Similarly I showed you the utter nonsense in the science in the Koran site you referred me to. (http://www.islamicmedicine.org/medmiraclesofquran/medmiracleseng.htm)

His comical attempts to claim that when the Koran mentions forelock it is actually giving us a lesson in advanced neurology or when it mentions fingertips it is really a treatise on the importance of fingerprints as a foolproof tool for identification had me rolling on the floor.

Everyday observations are elevated to knowledge of advanced science. The feeling of tightening of the chest when one climbs up a hill (most translators of the verse don't use the word sky) is made into a prediction of space travel. What mental acrobatics he used to come to this conclusion is not made clear. Here is the Koranic verse the doctor claims is a prophecy about man criss-crossing the depths of space.

"Whomsoever Allah desires to guide, He expands his chest to Islam; whomsoever He desires to lead astray, He makes his chest narrow, tight, as if he were climbing up to the sky." (6:125).

Maqsood, you also referred to a photograph by NASA showing what looked like a long ditch on the moon and tried to link it with the Koran's claim of Allah splitting the moon during Mohammed's time. Nowhere has NASA claimed that the picture is evidence of splitting in the past. I asked you for the references to your claim. None have been forthcoming so far. And you keep asking for references to well known facts about your Prophet's life.

Reading his lengthy article what is ‘crystal clear' is why Islamic science is in the pathetic state it is now. Muslim nations are perhaps a generation or two behind not just the Christian West but even underdeveloped secular-Hindu India, atheistic China, Buddhist-Shinto Japan.

M:…Instead my fight is for the religion Islam as ordered by Allah Almighty and as practiced by Prophet Muhammad PBUH and his close companions (Sahaba) against any other religion or practices being carried out by anyone, anywhere….

P: Your message comes across crystal clear Maqsood. Pagans, kaffirs, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, atheists all had better watch out. Islam is all about submission. Submission of all non-Muslims to Muslims. It is also about domination of those who are not Muslims by Muslims. Your religion forces you to go out and demand submission by others for the Koran says:

3:85 SHAKIR: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

9:29 SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

61:9SHAKIR: He it is Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

Muslims are prisoners to these commandments of Islam. If you are a Muslim you must go and enforce the decrees of Islam on those you consider infidels and pagans. The killings, the suicide bombings and violence all over the world is a direct result of Muslims trying to fulfill these requirements of their faith because as Allah says:

61:4 SHAKIR Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact wall.

4:74 SHAKIR: Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

9:41SHAKIR: Go forth light and heavy, and strive hard in Allah's way with your property and your persons; this is better for you, if you know

6:11 SHAKIR: You shall believe in Allah and His Messenger, and struggle hard in Allah's way with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!.

61:12 SHAKIR: He will forgive you your faults and cause you to enter into gardens, beneath which rivers flow, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetuity; that is the mighty achievement;

And all Muslims want to be loved by Allah, don't they? What are you waiting for Maqsood, paradise awaits you. The Koran has given you a step by step procedure to wake up in heaven with its ‘gardens beneath which rivers flow'. Fighting and killing unbelievers is a ‘MIGHTY ACHIEVEMENT' indeed. (Maqsood, I am sure you don't want to plead any context here because you are also more or less agreeing with what your duty is towards Islam)

What kind of mind does the author of the Koran have Maqsood. He is encouraging you to sell this world's life and whether you die or not a mighty reward is assured (if you don't die there is war booty including the lovely women you will capture). Struggle for Allah with your money and your life. For that he will forgive you your sins (since Allah does not specify what the sins are, can you rule out incest, rape or murder?).

And that for Muslims is a mighty achievement; all your sins are washed away. The Hindus wash away their sins in their holy rivers. Muslims wash away their sins with the blood of infidels. Remember in your post you said: M:Plato! again hypocrytic attack, when u r not able to answer logically, u r making Allah (Faith of Muslims) responsible for evil things.

Does Allah come through as a benevolent Being or does He smell of ---- ? Fill in the blank Maqsood.

You refer to an ayat in the Koran which calls people like me deaf and dumb. I may be all of that but I am not blind and can read. And I have read the Koran, the Sira, and some hadiths. The ‘truth' they contain is so obvious that I am left wondering if what is really behind the forelocks of many who read them is hard impenetrable bone.

Regards

Plato

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