the Koran isn't exactly a fountain of scientific knowledge - why pretend that it is???

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Dec 20, 2008 at 05:52

Mr. Bayezid from Bangladesh

".......and that is exactly why ALLAH challenges anyone to imitate the quran. i would respect your claim, but it is backed without any form of real proof. try writing something like it. then we can talk again, alright?"

ignorance knows no bounds does it Mr. Bayezid? Do you seriously think that the Koran was not crafted by human beings over a prolonged period of time?

".......and funny thing is, i'm skeptikal of skeptics even more after i have heard your side."

Which sceptics are you talking about - people who are sceptical of Islamists and the distortions of Islam? There's no reason to be sceptical about such people - - they really DO exist.

".....you are actually saying that people knew that the earth was round , egg shaped, 1400 years ago? "

Actually I didn't make any mention of it. This is another example of your tactic of attributing beliefs or sayings to people - then trying to deny the point - to discredit the person who you attributed the saying to.

But in this case, you've foolishly opened yourself up to even more criticism. Of course people knew the world was round WAY BEFORE 1400 years ago!! Do you seriously think they did not and that it was an Islamic discovery???? Shame on you - get an education and stop pretending that what you say the Koran says has anything to do with science.

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scolumb.htm

" ..........are you telling me that people had a precise understanding of embryology 1400 yeas ago? "

Again, I haven't said anything about it - your 'straw man' tactic reappears. You'll have to be a bit more subtle in future. But now that you bring up the completely spurious claim of the Koran having ANY insight into embryology, you and the rest of the readers will enjoy this:

http://www.derafsh-kaviyani.com/english/embryology.pdf

Mohammed and those who modified the Koran seem to have repeated an error made by the much earlier Greek physician and founder of modern medicine, Hippocrates:

"Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, "man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". This echoes the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317)."

"......thats what ALLAH tells us in the quran. and people, sadly, did not even know that bloods had groups ."

Yes - until the early 1900's when blood groups were discovered by the Infidel scientist dr. Karl Landsteiner.

Or are you suggesting that Muslims knew about these blood groups 1300 years earlier - but then somehow lost the information? i.e. we don't hear of transfusions occuring inthe Middle east prior to Landsteiner's discoveries do we? They might have been very helpul for both sides during the Crusade times don't you think?

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1930/landsteiner-bio.html

".......you are saying that they knew that the sun also moved along a cetain course?"

Again, I have to point out - your use of the 'straw man' argument.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man - read it and learn and please don't repeat this behaviour.

Pay particular attention to this point:
"While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight"

I said no such thing about the sun. But now that you bring it up - yes - of course people knew the sun went along a certain course. I could say I'm very surprised at the depth of your ignorance - but I'm not.

Ice age hunters in Europe over over 20,000 years ago scratched lines and gouged holes in sticks and bones counting the days between the phases of the moon.

You must have heard of Stonehenge in England? It was set up to keep accurate track of the sun - especially the midwinter and midsummer days.

see http://solvingstonehenge.co.uk/second_page.html

there are numerous other places in Europe even older that were set up to track the sun and stars such as Newgrange in Ireland

http://www.knowth.com/newgrange.htm

- built around 3200BC - which is a very long time before the Koran - the source of your ridiculous assertion was even dreamt up, isn't it?

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